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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:14:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Give arguements for having a gun in your house today. I’ve refuted every
one.
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In what way have you refuted every argument. This point you have about guns no
longer serving a military use seems entirely specious. So specious that I think
most people reading it are thinking to themselves, “Ugh, why bother trying to
argue with someone convinced of that?”
Are we not armed with gun-like weapons in Iraq?
Frankly, what the hell are you talking about?
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And 25,000 folks a year won’t have to die just so the gun owners can have
their false security.
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Tell it to the people that fended off the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, Kooties.
Tell it to the Iraqis who may soon be trying for a little more freedom than they
have had of late. I’m pretty sure that armed rebellions are built on guns.
It’s your assertion that semi auto AK-47s, easily made fully auto, would be
worthless? I don’t happen to own one, but I know more than one person that
does.
You are blithely skipping over still living history as if the blood of the many
could be washed over by your pointedly ignorant words. Again, I ask you: what
the hell are you talking about?
Prove to me that higher level rifles, shotguns, and semi-autos are going to be
worthless should an insurrection occur.
7,318,638 Swiss are just dead wrong, eh? The Swiss that intelligently stay out
of almost every international fracas. They are certainly as non-violent as they
can be. They are every bit as armed to the teeth as are americans.
Try this one (I just happened upon it by accident):
Gun Control: Myths and Realities
http://www.cato.org/cgi-bin/scripts/printtech.cgi/dailys/05-13-00.html
6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.
False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet
the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and
murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In
Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on
demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both
nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms,
and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of
gun control, Switzerland and Israel “have rates of homicide that are low despite
rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United
States.” A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation
between access to guns and crime.
Interestingly, those same Israelis seem to have a problem with homemade
explosives strapped to people bent on suicide! If they should go to meet their
maker taking out some Israelis in a nightclub -- well, so much the better for
them, eh? I’m not advocating it, I’m not supporting it or the aims of the
persons that would do such a crazy thing. I am saying it can be done, that is
all. When people have the intent to kill each other a way to accomplish it can
be found -- however loathsome the means for achieving their goals may be.
You do not know what you are talking about when anyone can see that you are
pointedly ignoring simple and obvious facts of recent history.
I think there are many things at work in the high incidents of violence in the
U.S. -- for one thing a lot of people come here from all kinds of different
places and that’s a lot of people not quite understanding each other’s culture
very well. Look how quickly many americans have reflexively and ignorantly
turned against even American Muslims!
I’d say intolerance was a greater enemy to the peace than the guns in my
neighbors’ homes. Intolerance goes to motive. Having motive, people find the
means to achieve their ends.
And me with my hunk of metal? My hunk of metal has never harmed a single living
thing. It has never been used by me for anything but practice marksmanship. I
hope it is never used for anything more than that. I am about as non-violent a
person as you are likely to meet. I am as anti-war as it is reasonably possible
to be; some might even consider me unreasonably pacifistic. It is also the case
that I’m just not stupid enough to give up my guns.
-- Hop-Frog
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| (...) And we're back to appealing to what's going on in *other* countries and in other times. In *America*, *today*, your gun in your house does *nothing* to preserve your freedom. Your gun in your house takes away the freedom of your fellow (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) And those that believe in dogma to the exclusion of rational thought are brain washed. Appealing to history to keep things the same as they were is not the same as learning from history in order to make oneself better. Saying you need guns in (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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