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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:43:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
Massive ka-snip!
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Cites that don’t appeal to bygone history, please.
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Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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And those that believe in dogma to the exclusion of rational thought are
brain washed.
Appealing to history to keep things the same as they were is not the same as
learning from history in order to make oneself better.
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You need to establish that - over the course of this and other threads you have
repeatedly refered to the 1776 date as if that was the extent of people throwing
off their governemtn in this country, and I have on more than one occassion (and
including just yesterday) asked you to please address the American Civil War
(from either side). I’m not saying that the Civil War justifies anything in
particular, just that you are incorrect in your assumptions.
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Saying you need guns
in your homes in the 21st century because your forefathers needed guns in
their homes the 18th century is ludicrous. But you mentioned that below.
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No, I didn’t say that. I left the door open to being able to say it, however.
:-)
I have a one word rebuttal for myself if I was to say such: Dubya. This is a
guy who can convince himself of anything and actually believe it, a dangerous
capacity sor self-delusion.
Is it truly ludicrous? Yes and no - I may make noises about Dubya, but I
really don’t believe he would go that far. But Ashcroft? But that wouldn’t,
couldn’t happen, you say? I think it unlikely, due to the traditions of this
country - he wouldn’t get the support, either from powerful civilians or even
(enough of) the military. But it is not inconceivable. Especially if Ashcroft
thought everyone indefensible. Yes, I think that little of that crawling slime.
The percentage chance? Dunno - probably somewhere down around .00004 percent.
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Give arguements for having a gun in your house today. I’ve refuted every
one. The rhetoric that politicians do the will of ‘the people’ *only* because
they risk being shot is, again, ludicrous. Nixon wasn’t worried about being
shot when he stepped down. Every 4 years there are votes and seats
change--cogress people and senators leave due to the power of the vote, not
the power of a gun. Ask *any* of them why they left their seats when they
were voted out. As soon as the gun owner realizes all his or her flawed
reasons for keeping a gun in their homes are just that--flawed, absurd
reasons--then there will be a chance for a better, safer society.
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I don’t recall voting for Ashcroft, and yet he has power. And there’s the
dangerous thing, someone sneaking in the back door on someone else’s more
creditable coattails.
Realistically, though, what could I do with a mere rifle? Guerillas everywhere
have the same answer...
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And 25,000 folks a year won’t have to die just so the gun owners can have
their false security.
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Of course, balanced against some wahoo with an assault rifle, maybe Ashcroft is
the less creditable threat (I love arguing myself in circles!). :-)
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-->Bruce<--
(but then again, those that don’t adapt to changing conditions are destined
for extinction) :-)
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I think what I am trying to say is that the subject is less cut and dried than
you are trying to make it out to be.
-->Bruce<--
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) The point is that we don't live the same way today as we did in '76. And we don't live in the civil war era. And, again, both condtions were war-time scenarios, and, again, both times there were armies involved. THe civil war was the army of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) And those that believe in dogma to the exclusion of rational thought are brain washed. Appealing to history to keep things the same as they were is not the same as learning from history in order to make oneself better. Saying you need guns in (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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