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Re: The Blood of Patriots & Tyrants (was Re: Sticking my gun...etc.)
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Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:47:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
It's absolutely amazing how you keep missing the point.
Let's just snip everything and go on a tirade that has nothing to do with the
issue at hand, nor deal with any point that was raised. In the past we did
discuss the 2nd and I'm willing to let that go.
Legally you can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun. I don't think I've ever
disputed that. It turns out that I even, in the wonderfully snipped post,
conceded that, for the purpose of this debate, the 2nd says what you think it
says (and we live to fight that one another day, and I'm negotiable). You then
tried to add 'to defend freedom' to that particular ammendment and that's what I
called you on. And yet, snipped and put in its place a dredged up old debate
about the 2nd.
So not only are you not willing to debate the issues of America today, instead
you go find points from other countries and other times which have nothing to do
with Anywhere, USA today, you're not even willing to debate the points raised
here in this very thread, like 2 posts ago, and you have to snip the entire
thing and dredge up old debates that I already conceded to make it easier for
you to make *any* worthwhile point for the sake of this debate.
Even Jefferson talked about 'laws' much more than he talked about 'arms', and
that was back in the 18th century when guns actually could do something to
influence the establishment. Where should we put our emphasis today?
I asked you to cite laws that equate guns with the 'upholding of democracy',
that they're there to make the recently voted out politicians leave office.
After all, if it has the importance that you assign to it, wouldn't you think
there would be a law somewhere? Show how guns made Nixon step down, how it was
the threat of guns that made him walk out. After all, it would be written down
somewhere if that were the case, being the single biggest point in the history
of democracy--the most powerful man steps down before his official time is up.
I've asked a dozen times and yet you can't show the correlation between your gun
and Nixon, between your gun and politicians leaving their seats every 2/4 years.
Because the truth is, it isn't there. If it was, you and your other gun owners
would have pointed it out for all to hear--"We need guns! Here's the proof!"
No proof, no evidence, no laws leading us from guns in your house to the
'protection of democracy' And yet there's proof that people die violently from
guns. 30 proofs per day, thousands of deaths per year. Not a few per century
as your messiah alluded to. How can you dismiss that so easily?
Platitudes--"Democracy's manure"? Go to a funeral of someone who just got shot
and give them that and see what the families think about that one.
Where's your humanity, man?
And we go 'round and 'round. I'm tired but I'm not willing to let you even
remotely think you're in the right whilst your fellow citizens are killed in
violent gun related homicides. I'm usually pretty willing to be swayed by a
good arguement.
> -- Hop-Frog
Dave K
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