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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:53:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote:
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And yet you still have not addressed the post linked above. Throughout
history there has never been a democracy where the citizenry was unarmed.
Even in Canada, Britian, and Austrailia you still have armed citizenries.
Nixion left office, my right to vote, politicians obeying the durration of
their terms, etc. occur becuase the people have the ability to force it,
not because we have to force it.
-Mike Petrucelli
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I’ve been addressing it from the beginning--An armed citizenry is not needed
*today*. I’ve talked with my local MPP, I’ve spoken with other politicians at
various levels of political power (Haven’t had a chance to talk to the big JC
yet, but, eh, whatrya gonna do) and since my ‘topic du jour’ is guns, that’s
where the conversation usually goes.
Not one of them “leave their seats” because they fear getting shot. Ever. Run
a poll. Ask ‘em. Go ahead. Until you come up with *any* concrete rationale
for this, it’s a wispy notion of a long dead ideal.
If you want a medical example, cutting off your leg to save the finger isn’t
appropos--a better one is someone walking around with a ruptured appendix
saying, “Don’t operate because there was once a time when it served a vital and
useful function!”
We can, right now, go to the grave sites of eleven thousand of your fellow
Americans who died in a violent gun homicide in one year. We can read their
obituaries. We can visit the morgue and see them. We can weep with 11 thousand
families.
And you come up with some notion that somehow at some time you *may* need a gun
to protect your rights? Some wispy vague idea that hasn’t been needed in this,
or the previous century? Some false pretense in order to justify you having a
gun in your house? Go to the family of a person who was just killed violently
(should be 30 just today) at the business end of a gun and tell them. Tell them
your reasons for keeping a gun in your house.
And don’t start talking about Canada and other countries as if that helps your
point. Canadian gun owners don’t buy into the lies that having guns in their
homes “maintain the freedom”. We didn’t need guns in 1867, and we sure didn’t
need guns in 1982. We’re not indoctorined and brain washed with the ‘high
ideals’ of ‘outta my cold dead hands’ and ‘brain lead’.
And that is why, every single year, Canada, as well as the other countries you
mentioned, will have less violent gun related deaths per capita than Americans.
We don’t idealize the gun. We don’t worhip it, and we sure don’t write off the
deaths of our fellow citizen with some baseless arguement.
Dave K
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| (...) The opinions of a handful of politicians are irrelavent (as if they would be honest about it anyway.) You (and your politicians) can believe whatever hippy notions you want about the power of the people, but the real power of the people comes (...) (21 years ago, 23-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) And yet you still have not addressed the post linked above. Throughout history there has never been a democracy where the citizenry was unarmed. Even in Canada, Britian, and Austrailia you still have armed citizenries. Nixion left office, my (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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