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Just as a break from the usual war-related debate, here's something new: (URL) me if this has already been pointed out) Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Thank the NRA for Prez Dubya..
 
(...) Part of the problem is that gun ownership in the usa appears to come without responsibility; 500,000 are stolen each year... no doubt by "irresponsible people". ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Thank the NRA for Prez Dubya..
 
(...) Im no gun collector or anything..not even an enthusiast. But passing legislation against guns simply cuz they *can* be used to kill people, thats kinda dumb. We could have laws that outlaw guns completely, but then we would have to outlaw (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: good news for a change? (poll: would you go into space?_
 
(...) (URL) thar ya go! If you had a chance to go into space, given the dangers or expense, would you do it? The poll does not differentiate on how you get there, it can be the Rutan thing (quick skim into space), the shuttle, Russian spam-in-a-can (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
(...) I just had a friend over yesterday that is involved in the project - he brought a copy of Aviation Week with him that gave some details on the project, but I didn't have a chance to look at it. I didn't even catch the issue number or have a (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Thank the NRA for Prez Dubya..
 
(...) But wait! Y'all have guns so go overthrow the gov't! Isn't that *the* reason why y'all have guns in your house? To stop political folk from running your little country into the ground? Well git goin'! Dave K -antidisestablishmentarianism at (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Monday Morning News Roundup
 
"Crackdown on 'fat cat' riches: Curbs loom on huge pay-offs for bosses who fail" (URL) scandal of the so-called rewards-for-failure culture, with huge pay-offs being made to bosses of ailing companies, is set to end. Amid mounting fury at the (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Thank the NRA for Prez Dubya..
 
(...) We may need them to defend ourselves from the the roaming packs of the hungry created by the U.S. govt.'s brilliant economic strategies. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Thank the NRA for Prez Dubya..
 
Says bro... (URL) fun in '04--Uzis on the street. Yipee!! That should make all you gun collectors pretty happy. Dave K (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Physical Spam
 
Dunno if this is a true story or not but it's interesting reading. (URL) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Census help needed...
 
I blame the insurance industry and taxes. When all the costs of living increase and taxes rise, Corporate America wants to cut costs and Ma-n-Pa shops don't pay enough. Not too long ago people earning half my wage could pay for a house, car, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Census help needed...
 
Where should I be looking for recent information concerning the number of working adults? Reason? The alarming statistic cited here: "Jobless and Hopeless, Many Quit the Labor Force" (URL) portion: ---...--- More than 74.5 million adults were (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Some good news for a change, maybe?
 
(URL) us keep our fingers crossed that something comes of one or two of these pipe dream hobby projects... (note that the header of .space has a link to Scaled Composites website with their press release. As I said in .space, if anyone can win the X (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) I can go with that. Might come up again in the future though, depending on circumstance. Dave! (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Another thing about instant replay, its' annoying when they spend so long on what seems like a simple call. No ordering pizzas. Another thing is they need to make some rules simpler. The tuck rule i beleive is the one which helped the Patriots (...) (21 years ago, 26-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Worse than that: it's too prone to mistakes. It'd be good if instant replay systems were introduced for the 4th referee, so he could assist the main referee on the more dubious cases. Then again, the mistakes are also part of the game... :-/ (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Neither prove nor cede, merely leave it as an acknowledged point of disagreement. (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) Governor Moonbeam! Jerry is probably the very definition of flakey, but I always liked him. Despite coming from a political family (California Governor Pat Brown was his father, for those who don't know) he doesn't seem like the usual (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) We had Republicans George Deukmejian and Pete Wilson before Gray Davis so I wouldn't call it that much of a Democrat state (Let's toss in Nixon and Reagan, though I suppose one can counter that both of our senators are currently fairly liberal (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Pardon? If we're held to the same standard, then why do you feel free to dispense little nuggets as if they're revealed truth, but you require me to prove my arguments? (...) Let's hear them. Perhaps, instead of saying "you" in that context, I (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Real baseball players bat. Mark Mulder turns swinging a bat into an adventure. In other words, the DH is as legit as AL pitching and/or relief pitching. BTW Edgar Martinez for the Hall of Fame (Once he retires)! (...) Agreed. (...) Legit call (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: The U.S. Economy: The Thousand Yard Stare Through the Years
 
(...) Is the latter the cost paid by the US for the first Gulf war only, or the total cost? The first Gulf war, being sactioned by the UN, was not paid exclusively by the US. Far from it, the bill was shared between many countries. The present war (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Ne or Ni [monty python]
 
(...) I've always thought it was "Nee"! Fredrik (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) Addendum (for clarification)-- "No matter which party." And on that I completely agree. Dave K (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) This should be a non-partisan issue. If s/he wastes taxpayer money, throw the bum out -- doesn't matter which side s/he claims to be on. My favorite CA politician is Jerry Brown -- he's a little spooky, but he rides BART and I think he (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) (assuming your a demo branch demopublican speaking, else it's "the President doesn't control the economy, unless 1) it's strong and he's a Democrat or 2) it's weak and he's a Republican." Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Bush and Davis (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) No, we're to the same standard I would say. (...) There's no better defense than the market of ideas in this sphere but I do not have to prove a point to your satisfaction or else "cede" it. There are other possible outcomes. (...) Well... (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: California the great Democrat experiment
 
(...) Much better to have far-Right conservative clowns at the Federal helm. Bush, as you are for some reason overlooking, has destroyed a far larger budget surplus in far less time than Davis, and Bush has no plans, concrete or abstract, to correct (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  California the great Democrat experiment
 
Frightening (URL) like to call my beautiful home state of California the great Democrat experiment. Every top government office in the state is held by a Democrat, and the legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat. Gray Davis took office in 1998 to a (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) You're kidding, right? You're saying, in effect, that you are free to assert your opinions as facts, but I'm held to a higher rhetorical standard? (...) Since you're the one on the outside making the claim contrary to the existing system, it (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Military Aid or Invasion?
 
"Pilgrims threaten jihad against American forces" (URL) go, you read, you find out that Iraqis may have a different opinion about good government than does GWB. Your sons and daughters will fight for GWB's side of it regardless. How many people must (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) That's not a settled point, so I'd wish you wouldn't assert it as if it were. (...) Nor is that settled. But larger-ly, what's the bearing? Do you disagree that a just government (whether you think a non libertarian government is just or not) (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) I disagree. There should be no grey area here: you either have the right of unfettered assembly or you do not. The government has no right to infiltrate a group on the mere suspicion that they will act violently. Please see: (URL) not quite (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) I am not clear on the particulars, but I think broadcasters do have to give air time to those with opposing views. I think it works that way at the local level, or at least it used to. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the FCC has backed (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Actually, it must be remembered that the government, then using force in accordance with written law, is exercising contract enforcement, which is 100% approved by Libertarian philosophy. Maybe I don't like it, maybe you don't like it, but (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Call it as it is.
 
(...) To put it another way: What's great about that particular case is that it's show that (partial) deregulation will be abused when possible and (even temporarily) profitable. Dave! (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: La belle province
 
(...) Actually I've never seen an English road sign in Quebec, but then again, I haven't been looking for one. (...) Like a woman, we're a mystery. (...) It means that, for most, you think a little harder before you hop in a car and drive to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Call it as it is.
 
(...) great articles. Mr. Williams is a favorite of mine. (...) Ah, Molly. She's a piece of work. But she's on to something with this one. See, (public funding of sports arenas aside) Michael Jordan is getting his cash directly from people who want (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Agreed. Equal protection under the law means that the government (which has the force initiation monopoly, remember) has to take all unlawful actions seriously. These people making threats need to be found and prosecuted, in my view. (...) I'm (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: La belle province
 
(...) Ya, I was wondering about that myself. Why is it that in all the other provinces, signs are in two languages but in (at least in some parts of) Quebec, they're only in one (french). I'm not talking about shop signs and suchlike, I'm talking (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Call it as it is.
 
Here is a rather interesting article referenceing the subject line. (URL) of posting this refers to the April 16th article. This one is unrelated but interesting too. (URL) of posting this refers to the April 23rd article. With the above article the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: La belle province
 
Where to begin... (...) K, let's start here--Every elected PM in my lifetime (and most PM's before that) came from *one* province--guess which one. Political oppression? Where? (...) You consider yourselves 'speaking for Quebec' and at the same time (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) And wasn't that the exact point that Timmy was trying to make? At least, that's what I read. Dave K (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
New debate direction alert!! On the issue of the reporter, I think there is a common confusion (in my opinion) between freedom of speech and priviledge of access. The reporter has access to mass media dissimination of his speech that most of us do (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Yes, they did win the match; but they lost the round (the first leg result was 3-1 for Real Madrid) (...) For future reference: Video! :-P (advantage: you can forward the boring parts of the match...) (...) They're being so underpaid compared (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How Will We Ever Wash the Stink of GWB Jr. Off?!
 
first, thank you for posting this. i hadn't known this. second, god this is depressing! my government, whom i'm too afraid of to really resist, is purposely and actively subverting international and domestic law - regardless of the reason behind the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Normally I am better with the cites, here's this one on Slashdot (with user comments): (URL) the original cite: (URL) bit: ---...--- * Expanded use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which permits the government to conduct (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Absolutely astounding?! (...) Definately not good. (...) Clearly the greatest threat to our country and Freedom comes from D.C. (Gee, there's a shock) -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) agree completely. as mentioned before, limits to free speech exists. and they are threats and slander. (...) while i agree that the spirit of these actions might be anti-constitutional, unless the police take any further actions, it's hard to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) Um, treason is a very specific crime with very specific actions that define it as treason. We aren't even in the ballpark with what that reporter did. And databasing protestors seems harmless until you realize that the FBI wants to create a (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) -title of yahoo link You Chicks couldn't carry a tune if it was strapped to your backs. Your lyrics neither rhyme nor scan. Ya stink! -->Bruce<-- Last house on the left, kinda turned at a funky angle (looking out window waiting for nude (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Real baseball players stand out in the field. Reggie Jackson would turn trying to catch even the simpliest routine fly ball into an adventure. (...) Give the batters a mound - we have a mound gap! (...) First incarnation was terrible, the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: La belle province
 
(...) No oppressed socially, but politically. Our rights as humans are well respected, if that's what you mean. No problem there. (...) Yep, that's 100% true. We don't consider ourselves as martyrs. We are pretty happy about our situation, even if (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
Actually aren't there a ton of topics to debate in sports? How about: The pros and cons of the designated hitter? Whether or not lowering the pitchers mound has given batters an advantage? The pros/cons of Instant replay in the NFL? The Tuck rule? (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
(...) I had to reply as this is a time that I actually find myself agreeing with hop-frog. Death threats are not only inappropriate, but illegal, and should not be tolerated. If you want to call the Dixie Chicks traitors, or unAmerican, go ahead, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
Hey all- Speaking as an ex-Minnesotan, GO WILD!! GO WILD!! Ry out (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Patriotism or Mass Hysteria?
 
"Dixie Chicks 'get death threats'" (URL) one's fun too: (URL) recall this happening with The Beatles and the famous thing Lennon said? What I am getting from some of you is that free speech is not without risk. Fine, I don't mind well-reasoned, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) I'll take your word for it. (...) I heard that one on sportscenter. Short clip, but ManUtd won right? (...) Nice. Lemme see, 3 o clock, nope, im at school still, from those freakin extended hours. I'm in middle school and am stuck there from 7 (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Sports scores redux( Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Actually, you've identified the primary problem with the US population at the moment. Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Sports scores redux( Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Back when it changed from off-topic.debate. (...) Possibly... But they could be debates... (...) HA! THE DUCKS SWEPT THE RED WINGS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! oops, sorry, that slipped out there ; ) (...) Well, im fundamentally different then. Probably (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Still got 'em somewhere in the garage. Worthless, alas, while my Albedos went for something like $1000. And yes, my Mom made me throw out my X-Men and Avengers #1s (got 'em on the same day as I recall). -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Come to think of it, it may be more of a Norwegian thing... (...) You betcha. JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Heh. Nope. But I didn't realize until I left Canada and came back how much we really do say "eh" up here, eh? James (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Sports scores redux( Re: For Sean...
 
(...) I just carried on with the thread... :-) (...) Ouch! That hurt! :-P But yes, you have a point. I suppose o-t.d isn't the proper place for them... it's not a topic that "fits in" with the rest. (...) Who told you I don't participate in soccer? (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
(...) I motion we create the office of "The Pudd'nHead Dave!" -- it's much more vulgar that way. Don't forget the use of the definite article in the formal title. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Here in Minnesnoowda, we use an inflection of the voice at the end of a statement such as "That's how language grows" which in essence implies "Are you with me?" I never noticed how predominant it was until I moved away to Arizona for 7 years (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
(...) Just for the record, that's more of an honorary appellation than a formal title of office. Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Go for it! My ignorance of French grammar/spelling borders on the absolute. I was just trying to recall what I remember reading in Alpha Flight comic books 20 years ago.... Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
Ohh, that was "you guys" not you specifically. Didnt mean to aim that at one person. :) Also wanted to mention as i am sure it will come up.. I am not worried about the defensability of my faith. I have no 'need' to defend it. Christ can defend (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Sports scores redux( Re: For Sean...
 
(...) <snip> When did this become off-topic.sports? :-) Maybe these footie scores (or whatever they are) belong in off-topic.fun, if anywhere? Call me grumpy (the tiggers are 1 and 18 or something ridiculous, and the Wings got eliminated in 4 (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
Well. I am not looking for a big heavy discussion. If the participants arent going to be friendly then I am not intersted and that is the general vibe that I hear about it. I am also not interested in deep theological discusions. I didnt come here (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) "Aggregate" result from the two rounds. At least I think that's the word... but feel free to correct me on this. (...) Indeed they were; ManUtd vs. Real Madrid was one of the most disputed matches I've seen in recent years - it's as good as it (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Actually, the french expression is "n'est-ce pas?". Sorry, I didn't want to become a grammar cop... :-/ Pedro (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) It may be a brazilian contraction of "não é?", "né?" (without the accent, which is not standard in many brazilian keyboards). It translates to "isn't it?" in English. But really, I'm guessing here... HTH (somehow!), Pedro (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) <snip> (...) Well, us Canadians have been doing that for years, eh [1] Dave K 1- pronounced 'ay'--hearkens back into Canadian obscurity, but most pronounced during the McKenzie Era, in which two Canadian Heros--Bob and Doug popularized the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Probably. Appending "ne" or "neh" as I've always seen it spelled is from the Japanese. I know I picked it up from James Clavell in years gone by, but Anime/Manga has certainly re-inforced it. That's how language grows, neh? (That's how (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community)
 
(...) I can see that other's did feel that way, though I suppose that if it was their store, they have the right to do that unless management says otherwise. Just don't give them your business if you feel that way. -Stefan- (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) Thanks. (...) Then it's not AS bad. I'm a junior in high school, I know how the language is. And I'm not being rude here, but i dont think sup is an (...) And I wasn't aware people in Virgina use "'sup." Interesting. (...) I remember that (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) FOCROFLMAO (Falling Off Chair if that part is too obscure - and here I claim not to speak Initial). The rest were pretty good (guilty on a variety of accounts). -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How Will We Ever Wash the Stink of GWB Jr. Off?!
 
(...) Dang...I can't! Gosh, that was a painless debate. :-) -->Bruce<-- It's that circumvention of all laws that gets me: no, they aren't combatants, so they don't fall under the Geneva conventions, and yet they are held under military law so they (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) The reason (if I understand correctly) for having the entire "off-topic" group was for 'safety valve' issues. Otherwise, debates like this that *naturally* creep up inside of on-topic posts would have nowhere to go. You might argue that they (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) Basically Pedro, your opinion is my opinion in most ways. Now i dont have to type it! yay. Hasta la Vista, Sean (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
Well thanks for the definition Richie! I guess I see why some people get angry now... Anyways, thanks for the response, it sums up debate for me! I stick to my points also, so I can see how that is. I know how much people hate being proved wrong, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) He probly had furgot to use his hooked on phonix, i do that too sumtimes : ) Hasta la Vista, Sean (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Yeah, but she's got nothing on me in the pudding-eating category. Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) Yea, the only reason I dont say that anymore is cause i did when i first came here and got people upset, so, i just say 'sup'. (...) Hasta la Vista, Sean (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Heres a debate question for ya...
 
(...) Cool, thats fine. You're right about lego people being intelligent, and that they are. (...) Well, im 14. And I'm not being rude here, but i dont think sup is an embarassing word. Um, it doesn't make me any less intelligent, I get A's and B's (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Hey, tis sports my friend. (...) agg? Havn't heard that for awhile. Anyways, they all look to be close matches. (...) I'm guessing they come on ESPN early in the morning? I might wake up that early, doubt it though. (...) Hasta la Vista, Sean (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Ottawas a good one. They played well even when they weren't being payed at all. Now thats cool. (...) Dallas Stars to be exact. Yea, that would be cool, but id love to see the Ducks vs. Wild. (...) Yep. (...) Hasta la Vista, Sean (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) YEA! (...) Good question. This surprised me just as much as the ducks...THE DUCKS, beating the red wings. Im tellin ya, its the year of the underdog. (...) I wish the capitals were still in it, a home team to go for. But no, they had to blow a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For Sean...
 
(...) Yea. Well, I dunno how the Leafs could make it 7 games and then choke it 6-1. I mean, its odd. I'm cool tho, the Wild won (Imagine if it was the Wild vs. Ducks in the Finals) It's like a year of the underdogs or something. It's almost as if (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: How Will We Ever Wash the Stink of GWB Jr. Off?!
 
(...) ...they'll be 18 soon enough. On a related note: As I understand it, the USA is one of only a handful of countries to execute juvenile offenders in the last decade. The others are: Congo, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia Nigeria and Yemen. And (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Ne or Ni [monty python]
 
(...) Dave, you must have heard of The Knights Who Say 'Ne'? Or was it 'Ni'? ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  How Will We Ever Wash the Stink of GWB Jr. Off?!
 
"Children held at Guantanamo Bay" (URL) younger than 16 are being held as "enemy combatants" in the American detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, the US military admitted yesterday, a practice human rights groups condemned as repugnant and illegal. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Gosh, all you people should read James Clavell's Shogun. You'll get "ne"'d to death. -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
(...) .debate doesn't suffer fools gladly, no. If you just waltz in there and tell people you have some Good News for them, you're not likely to get a warm reception. (...) and some silliness, and you have the common sense to tell which is which, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Must be from Anime or Manga then. Thanks for that, Mags... whew, that's all settled. (I'm gonna go with her explanation, Dave! Sorry about that, but she's smarter than you, Dave!... you're allegedly not as smart as Tim Robbins, at least (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Actually the Japanese connection makes more sense because if you make a statement and then append the "ne" it does mean "don't you agree?" or "isn't it?" But I wouldn't have associated it with the Lar "ne" because I always read that with an (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Urp! Maybe. Try not to let "brother"(1) Ashcroft know about that, OK? I'm on enough lists as it is. 1 - you used capitalization as if to imply he were a monk, I suppose. I use quotes as if to imply I'm not convinced he's the same species as (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Free Speech, again
 
(...) Doh! How about the simple "ne c'est pas?" in the now-forbidden language? Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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