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Re: La belle province
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Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:40:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes:
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> I dunno, Quebec doesn't seem all that oppressed to me, but I only have an
> outside view.
No oppressed socially, but politically. Our rights as humans are well
respected, if that's what you mean. No problem there.
> Consider yourself lucky you're "stuck" with a country that would probably at
> least let you secede without too much of a fight if you ever marshalled the
> votes for it. Many people, oppressed far far more than you guys are, are not
> that lucky by a long stretch. Consider the Nigerian/Biafran war, consider
> the breakup of Yugoslavia, consider Ethiopia/Eritrea.
Yep, that's 100% true. We don't consider ourselves as martyrs. We are
pretty happy about our situation, even if we fight to improve it. That's
probably why half the population here doesn't see the need to change.
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> The general track record of nations is that they are very hostile to the
> notion that people can decide they don't want to belong to the larger part
> and form their own government in a smaller part. That's too bad, really. I
> tend to support the rights of self determination and feel secession ought to
> be allowed.
Yes, I agree. That's why I also support Catalan and Ireland in their
fights, although the IRA isn't helping their own cause imho.
> But on the other hand, I'm usually not so keen to see countries fracture
> along ethnic lines, myself as the formerly oppressed minority that is the
> new majority in the smaller part has this nasty habit of turning on the
> former majority.
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> If Quebec got its way, what would you do to ensure the rights of the new
> English speaking minority? From what I hear it's not very pleasant to be an
> English speaker in Quebec (relatively speaking, mind you... I haven't heard
> of any ethnic cleansing, thank goodness) as it is.
First, let me say this: I've not read nor will I read other posts that
follow mine. I read this one by accident and I was lucky enough not to read
profanities in it about Quebec like some will probably do(I think, I may and
hope to be wrong).
The English minority in Quebec is treated just as any minorities, which is
very good. They have access to any govt services, they have every rights as
they should. There is no discrimination based on skin color, language or
ethnic, cultural or religious prejudices. I'm talking on a social level
here. Québécois are not perfect and as all people, some are racists, some
hate Anglos, some are simply stupid :-)
It's not about fracturing a country based on ethnic differences. It's
simply correcting a fact. In 1867, when we were forced in the constitution,
The population of Quebec (Bas-Canada) was twice as big as the Ontario
(Haut-Canada), but we had fewer political deputees than Ontario, so every
law that was made ever since was to help English culture take over the
French. Canada is said to be a bilingual country, but anywhere from Ontario
to BC, you can't even get govt services in French (I speak by experience, I
have visited Canada). So the French minority in the rest of Canada is not
even treated as good as the English minority in Québec.
As for what you may have heard, don't forget that it's certainly not based
on true facts. Québec is known for its peace, its quiet. The crime rate in
Mtl is very low and everywhere else in Québec is the same. I'd say the
people that get the worst treatment are not the English, as I've not heard
of many cases of them being discriminated against, but rather Arabs, because
Québec is closely attached to NYC, strangely enough.
It's sad to see Canadians reject our peaceful movement and treat us like
garbage. The soverist movement is growing ever since the Confederation Act
in 1867 and the political "fight" is clean and surprisingly peaceful in
general. It's socialy accerptable in Anglo-Canada to make fun of Québécois.
Most humor shows on CBC (the national TV channel) are specifically designed
to humiliate us. Laughing about Anglos in such ways in Québec happens, of
course, but in a lesser degree.
What we thrive for is our own country so we can make our own laws, establish
our own foreign relations, be part of the UN. Our culture is unique in N.
America. We have our own signers, comedians, musicians, celebrities. We
are also of different origins, we think different, we react different, we
are way more socialist that the rest of N. America. I'm saying these facts
to express the differences, but I'm IN NO WAY implying that they show that
we are better or worse, just different.
For the ones who care to really understand the situation, you can contact me
by email, I'll gladly explain thorouly the history of Québec or anything
you'd like to know. I've studied history at Université de Montréal. I had
all sorts of teachers, some Anglos that were profoundly federalists, others not.
Terry
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| Where to begin... (...) K, let's start here--Every elected PM in my lifetime (and most PM's before that) came from *one* province--guess which one. Political oppression? Where? (...) You consider yourselves 'speaking for Quebec' and at the same time (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes: <snip> I dunno, Quebec doesn't seem all that oppressed to me, but I only have an outside view. Consider yourself lucky you're "stuck" with a country that would probably at least let you secede (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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