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    Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
   Yeah, I knew this question was going to be asked sooner or later, so I guess I'll have to ask it now. You see, I took a trip to my local wal-mart the other day to pick up some school supplies (and hopefully some extra sets to stock up on), when I (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
     (...) Why is Island Xtreme Stunts not a Town subtheme? (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Michael Arrighi
     (...) I view the 'Island Xtreme'Stunts as a subtheme of Town. They're about the closest Lego has come to producing old fashioned, 'System'-style city sets. Regards, Michael (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Michael Arrighi
     (...) Hi Matt, I wholeheartedly sympathize with you. There are no classic style town, space, castle, or pirate sets to be found in the retail stores. It is both sad and annoying. (...) I completely agree with you on this. Why must Lego constantly (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Tom Sciortino
      "Michael Arrighi" <michael_arrighi5543...yahoo.com> wrote in message news:H0L9FC.4JE@lugnet.com... (...) <big snip> (...) that (...) asked (...) want (...) There was a time when TLC _defined_ what the latest fad was - Pirates were a huge hit, but I (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Jeff Stembel
     (...) Which is fairly normal for the summer as stores clear out stock in anticipation for big pre-holiday orders. Summer is generally the slowest time for toys as there are no major gift-giving holidays. (...) Uh, pardon me for asking, but what rock (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Well, this is particularly new for me, because I don't go a a TRU every other weekend. Even during the holiday season, It's hard to find good sets at a decent price. Heck, most of the newer lines are too juniorized or overspecizliaed, and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matthew Hamand
      (...) Actually most Star Wars and other Science Fiction type vehicles use some form of anti-gravity. Thus negating the the need for lifting surfaces like wings. As for Star Wars stuff never sustaining itself in a proper atmosphere . . . um, have you (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
       (...) Anti-gravity boosters? Well, I suppose that could be a reality too, but depending on the atmosphere, It might need a different design if it isn't to fly down like a rock. The Jedi Starship has a really odd design, and I'm not sure how it could (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Anti Grav (was Say it ain't so...) —Tom Sciortino
         "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:H0LJrn.DHy@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) <big snip> I don't know how others figure it, but my creations have internal antigrav generators. It's a very small device that can fit just about (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
       
            Re: Anti Grav (was Say it ain't so...) —Jordan Greer
        (...) Actually, anti-gravity is a rather misleading term, for several reasons. First off, "anti-gravity" implies that you are utilizing the polar opposite of the force of gravity. Polar opposites of basic forces do not exist. Secondly, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
       
            Re: Anti Grav (was Say it ain't so...) —Luke Ma
        Let me be the resident geek again... (...) Well...in a sense they do. The current theory (particle-based theory anyway) is that there is an exchanging particle for all the basic forces. For electromagnetic forces, it's the photon. Don't misread that (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
       
            Re: Anti Grav (was Say it ain't so...) —Adrian Egli
        Isn't this a topic more tuned for lugnet.off-topic.geek? Just ask'n. (X-posted it there anyhow) Adrian "Luke Ma" <Luke_Ma@brown.edu> wrote in message news:H0rqG5.n1v@lugnet.com... (...) these (...) level. (...) would (...) this (...) Gravity (...) (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
      
           Spyrius and Unitron —Bradley Dale
        (...) Uh, what were the storylines of Spyrius and Unitron? I don't remember them having distinct stories. Of course, I barely remember Unitron at all (I didn't have any of the sets), but I did have some Spyrius sets. (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
       
            Re: Spyrius and Unitron —Matt Hein
        (...) Nah, nobody really remembers that stuff, but I thought they were really great sources of parts anyways. Sure, it's great to buy a set for its design (so you can get that ever useful WOW factor), but I think some of the storylines would at (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —William R. Ward
        (...) The theory goes that Space Port was a town sub-theme, and LoM was what happened when the Space Port guys made it to Mars. The supposed reason was that LEGO had to agree not to make any non-SW space sets when they made the deal with SW. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
        (...) Okay, really look at those old Space LEGO sets (which I LOVE!), their design is WORSE for anything like atmosphere. Imagine the hell a Starfleet Voyager would have landing on, say, Hoth?? HOW could a Galaxy Explorer carry enough fuel to land (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
       
            Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
        (...) Yeah, I think the 1999-2000 line had a lot of useful parts, and great designs, and I'm not gonna scream about that. In fact, I bought a snowspeeder and a few packs of speeder bikes just for the parts, but the newer SW models such as droid (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Michael Hassall
        (...) I am technicaly still a kid and had loads Spyrius and Unitron sets. They had Loads of cool modles and as somone did point out, why the hell didnt people like the colors. when i go the sets i was incredibally young (6-7) and only saw the modles (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
       
            Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
        (...) Yeah, cool color schemes are hard to find in todays models, and the harry potter sets had the worst scheme I could imagine (tan and dary grey, a little too rustic for my tastes.) As for the Story lines, yeah the whole purpose was to expand (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
       
            Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
         (...) Bionicle has been confirmed to continue beyond 2004. I don't know how long exactly. Check it out here: (URL) ("BrickTalk: The End?") (...) Are Galidor figures even made of ABS? They're made in China, not the usual LEGO factories. (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Michael Hassall
          (...) Thats just not right. people shouldnt have to p[lay with lego made in china. Thats what mega blocks do and look at them, just dont get me started with mega blocks Mike(burn all mega blocks) Iona (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
         (...) My god, I just took a look at Mask of Destiny,and I found some grave news. Guess that bit about the bionicle movie is true, and that's the scary part. Does anyone here think the new bionicle flick will be a massive cinematical failure? I bet (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
         (...) You don't like it, but my five year old and every kid I bump into in Target, Wal-Mart, TRU etc. loves it. I think the movie will be more successful than you realize. If Pokemon was not successful, why then did it stay for so long? Why were (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
          (...) Yeah, it's an effective was to weasel money out of the kids. Just say 'We're giving out free action figures to anyone who comes to see this movie', and you end up getting some really small action figure that has no real function except a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
         (...) If Galidor manufacturing was moved to China to keep the cost down, why do these sets still look so expensive? They're nearly a dollar per piece, which is much more than European LEGO, and I don't think the prices would compare well with other (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.galidor)
        
             Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
         (...) I couldn't imagine, and I don't really want to think about it, but I think that chinese or not, The Galidor products are a bit expensive, and very few people wouldpay about $15 for a single action figure. Most of the stuff I see on display at (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.galidor)
       
            Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
        (...) Have you noticed that you are posting in lugnet.castle? Hmmm... I'm building Castle creations right now and the best thing that EVER happened to my MOC stuff has been the Harry Potter line and the colors available in it. Thank god that Wal (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
       
            Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
        (...) Well, that's great for you, and I can definitely see we are at odds on this subject, but that doesn't matter. Yeah, It would be great to see a lot more grey walls and turrets inthe HP series (as long as I don't have to buy multiple copies of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Jordan Greer
       In article <H0LJrn.DHy@lugnet.com>, "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote: "And has anyone seen any bulk sets or 3033 tubs on the store shelves?" Nope. I REALLY miss the 3033 tubs. I've purchased at least 7 of them, probably more. The tubs that (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Maggie Cambron
       (...) Just a gentle reminder that this is a family forum and while many of us feel the same way you do, there are more appropriate words that can be chosen to express one's dislike of the newer tubs.... Maggie C. (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —William R. Ward
       (...) You could *look*, but LoM was discontinued last year... --Bill. (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
       (...) Introduced and discontinued in the same year?! Is that typical now? (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —William R. Ward
       (...) Actually the product line started in 2000. But yeah, that's a pretty short life. But look at the stores, you only see a couple of sets and they're marked way down. --Bill. (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
        (...) Late 2000, but they're identified as 2001 sets in catalogs. I haven't seen any LOM sets marked down, they're just disappearing. :( (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
      
           Life On Mars (was Re: Say it ain't so...) —Jonathan Wilson
       (...) I believe that LOM was created as a theme to "fill the gap" between Starwars EP1 and Starwars EP2. It came out just after the hype of EP1 finally died off. It disappeared just before EP2. Regardless of why TLC made it, its almost certain they (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Jordan Greer
      In article <H0LHB7.6sw@lugnet.com>, "Matt Hamand" <mhamand1@juno.com> wrote: *Snip.* (...) Yes, I have noticed the abundance of "Matts." The name "Jordan" or a variation is also pretty common. Also, it seems as if a ton of girls are named (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
      (...) Harry Potter, Alpha Team, Studios and Life on Mars are all available in stores, though LOM will probably be gone soon. I've seen a few Sculptures at TRU. I completely agree with the point of this post, though. I buy all of my LEGO from stores. (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
      (...) Really? Where is your local TRU located? I've seen some HP and Alpha Team stuff still around, but most of the original lines are gone already, in fact, I was going to pick out one of those awesome Alpha Team helicopters, but I couldn't find (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Bruce Hietbrink
      (...) I was just at a Target in Los Angeles yesterday and saw a bunch of Alpha Team and Harry Potter stuff. I don't know if you'll find the AT helicopters very easily. This year's release of AT stuff is all based around submarine vehicles. Some are (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —John Henry Kruer
      (...) The problem is that Lego direct can't sell in stores. I don't know if Lego inteded this, but it's the truth. They can only sell online. Otherwise, I quite agree with you. -JHK (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
       (...) You serious? What circumstances cannot allow lego to sell through the retail outlet, but not online? Since the last time I checked, the only way to get some legends sets or accessory packs was to fly to tbe nearest lego land, or buy online. A (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —William R. Ward
      (...) That's why they call it Lego Direct. As in, direct to the customer. Not through a retailer. Lego makes more money on each set sold that way, so they can afford smaller production runs (which cost more). The sets that are unique to Lego Direct (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Tom McDonald
     (...) Three things to remember: 1. Kids like toys that reflect culture, as well as fictional elements of culture and subcultures (i.e. Star Wars). 2. Lego is a business that makes toys. 3. Lego makes toys that kids like. BTW, if 2 isn't accomplished (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
     Howdy! LEGO is simply not interested in cornering the building toy market, or at least can't figure out how since 1997s slide into tepid product. Fisher Price, Mega Blocks, Best Lock and a myriad of other companies are stealing what should be TLCs (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Rich Manzo
      (...) Here we go again with the Bionicle-bashing. You may not like Bionicle, but apparently Lego is making a ton of cash off of the series. In fact, it was their most popular product line. If Lego is making a fortune off it of, why should they (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.technic.bionicle)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Justin Jacobs
     (...) I guess you haven't seen the petition I started a while ago: (URL) would love to get it to Lego, it's just I only have about 25 people on the list! I need everybody's help so this can convince TLC to bring back the sets we love. If you want to (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
     (...) Hiya Justin, I signed it, I'd love it, but REALLY I'd rather it said remake THE BEST sets from the 1980s AND 1990s, and reissue them with UPDATED DECORATIVE PRINT, PART & COLOR selections. Otherwise it would be asking for the Golden Harp from (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Markham Carroll
      "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:H0L43p.B6F@lugnet.com... (...) Sadly, LEGO greatness has been reduced to a company on SELL OUTS! SELL OUTS! SELL OUTS! SELL OUTS! SELL OUTS! SELL OUTS! Please excuse me, I need to cry in a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Guess that's right. TLC has been doing a lot of licensing and bandwagonning lately, and I just can't see why. Yeah, It's cool to see a few new SW and HP sets, but don't you think it's more than enough when they initiate a seven year contract (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Allan Portillo
      That's it, I can't take no more of this crap lego is releasing and calling sets. If these sets are so great why are they discontinued so soon and why are they re-releasing old sets, the ones which were good. Lego has never had to follow fads. And as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
      (...) Just the point I wanted to get across for themes like LOM, Town Jr sets, and (hushed tone) Galidor. These don't even deserve to be called lego, and rightfully so. Where has an *actual* castle or space theme gone? (...) Well, they do (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Rick Hallman
       (...) I cna understand how Galidor might bea little odd from lego, but some Town Jr. sets, LOM, even Jack Stone has great parts. Lego's idea is not only build our sets, but knock our socks off by building something great with *our* parts (...) I do (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
        (...) I was talking in reference specifically Jack Stone and Galidor. It's amazing when I actually see something cool built with the parts aforementioned, but that's a rare reality. (...) Hmm...It's a shame some people never really saw something in (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —John Morgan
       In lugnet.general, Rick Hallman writes: doesn't mean it's bad. (...) I strongly disagree. Historical themes are of great interest to kids, especially imaginative ones that would be interested in Lego bricks in the first place. Furthermore, you can (...) (22 years ago, 12-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Bradley Dale
       (...) Matt, why do you hate Life On Mars? (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Michael Hassall
      (...) Mega blocks did somthing with military legends and they sold loads, heck i bought one, the bigest set was a huge sub about 2ft high and 6ft wide with working guns and light up bits and if that can sell hundreds of copys why notfamous european (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Aaron West
     (...) company credo states that they will never base their product of violent war-like, gun toting toys. Wait a minute!! All those Castle, Pirate, Western and Star Wars sets are military and have weapons of personal or mass destruction. Oh well, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Heh, that's what I was thinking. It's kind of ironic that they would go against their own policy and market toys that in their creed 'advocate personal or mass destruction'. But that's good isn't it? There should at least be some sense of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Gregory J. Overkamp
     (...) Fpr those of us that veiwed the transcripts of Brickfest 2002 or perhaps those lucky enough to attend, the question regarding whether lego would produce a military set garnered a large no reaction from the crowd. Now this was Lego Direct the (...) (22 years ago, 17-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
   
        Can we all just shut up now —Michael Hassall
     Hey matt have noticed that this thread is gaettin tooo...ooo long i mean it is a cool and serious matter but havent people heard enouth. and if the LEGO company is reading this thread (which they are) Surely thaey will have got the idea by now and (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Could you please just keep this out of the theme groups —Jon Palmer
      I would just be happy if everyone could keep this thread out of the theme groups from here on out. At the very least keep it in .general or take it to .dear-lego. Thanks very much in advance! -Jon "Mike.H" <mikeiona@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Can we all just shut up now —Markham Carroll
       "Mike.H" <mikeiona@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:H0p0qw.FKw@lugnet.com... (...) mean (...) have (...) Is it just me, or am I the only person who has figured out in both Outlook Express and Netscape Communicator how to ignore threads? Why don't (...) (22 years ago, 11-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Can we all just shut up now —Luke Ma
       (...) shut (...) *sigh* Because, as an impartial observer, these kinds of conversation are not the point of .space or .castle or .town. Sure, we can ignore them but that still doesn't mean that it's appropriate to carry on these threads across all (...) (22 years ago, 12-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
      
           Re: Can we all just shut up now —Markham Carroll
        "Luke Ma" <Luke_Ma@brown.edu> wrote in message news:H0poJL.1v9@lugnet.com... (...) Outlook (...) kinds (...) net (...) shut (...) constructive (...) Sorry, at the time I wrote that I was half awake and thought he was flaming everyone who replied to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Aug-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Can we all just shut up now —Jason Ellis
      Well for those of us that use the web interface we have no such luxury, and thus it is annoying to see these posts in the theme groups. I too agree with Jon, keep it in .general. (...) (22 years ago, 12-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Can we all just shut up now —Matt Hein
     (...) Whoa! Just took another look at the thread and I never anticipated this message to get that far. Yes, I think I have gotten my point across this enough so unless someone keeps going, I'm going to stop while I'm at it. But if you think, haven't (...) (22 years ago, 12-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Can we all just shut up now —Allan Portillo
     (...) If this works it would be great. I knew we could do somthing at least and we have. Many of us have got together and most of them have agreed on somthing. Even though around 60 or so posts maight not seem much to be concernerd about to lego (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.general)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Sean Devolites
   (...) I agree with that mostly. I never minded soccer when it came out in 2000 (...) I'll second that (hopefully its not a precursor, though) (...) Let me know where to sign up I never though I'd say this, being a lego fan so long, but all they've (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Jeff Stembel
     (...) First, if you're talking online petitions, they don't work. Companies ignore them, since it is too easy to sign, and too easy to fake signatures. If you really want to get them to change, you'd need to do a serious petition or letter writing (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     In lugnet.general, a bunch of people write: We seem to be at odds on everything... (...) Sounds like charlie brown's teacher, doesn't it? Perhaps an petition on Lugnet. I don't get this. It seems even if I'm just the smallest bit vague, people (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Jack Millikin
      (...) Yeah, don't see why they wouldn't. If Lego put up a petition on their site with E-mail confirmation or something it would work really well. (...) They read .dearlego? Or are the messages just forwarded to an E-mail? (...) Yeah, but I have seen (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
      (...) Definitely. If they ask the kids on the site what they want in a short enail message, and pick random petition signatures and read them, perhaps thy will get an idea that sets like Castle and space are still as popular as ever, and that kids (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Dan Mattia
      (...) I'm a kid, and these crappy Galdidor/Bionicle/Jack Stone LEGO wannabes are very annoying! I just came home from school and on the table was the new lego magazine. I open it up...first page=duplo thing and some crap sets, labled as 'stupid'. As (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Duane Hess
       (...) Wow! and to think I was looking at some of those Galidor pieces as cool Space parts. I seem to remember a big backlash when Bionicle was released. Now some of those "useless" Bionicle parts are sought-after Space accessories. (...) Tell you (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
      (...) Definitely, I just can't see why some other people can't see through this argument. What happened to the traditional set? Now I'm seeing action figures and highly juniorized sets on the shelves and less themed sets. Not a good sign. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Jeff Stembel
      Trimming the followups since it really doesn't belong in the theme groups. (...) I find this editing of my post to be highly offensive, and I'd appreciate it very much if you'd refrain from doing this in the future. (...) Still wouldn't work. There (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
       (...) Just a joke, y'know...you should be a bit less serious about everything, and since people joke around on other forums, I thought you'd just laugh it off. (maybe that's why the rm2k and anime forums are so popular. Didn't mean to offend you, (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
      
           Re: Say it ain't so... —Kevin Cheng
        (...) Bionicle is making money for LEGO right now, and that is what important to a company that lost quite a bit in the previous years. (...) being (...) with. (...) Brad (...) saturation (...) markets (...) other (...) diversification (...) (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Kevin Cheng
       "Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:H2CyrA.Iv@lugnet.com... (...) section of (...) simple (...) been (...) Don't (...) 1x3 (...) I agree with Jeff here. (...) products is (...) is (...) have to (...) any (...) something (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —John Morgan
      (...) Actually is the cash cow not the one that generates the most profit, while the star could actually be called the "(rising) star" in that it is "hot" and generating attention, but not the most profit yet? (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
     
          Re: Say it ain't so... —Kevin Cheng
       "John Morgan" <aeonapolloRemove@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:H2Ey4q.9rG@lugnet.com... (...) Yeah the cash cow is the product that is generating the most profit but in the mature stage of the product life cycle. Like you said the star is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Richie Dulin
     In lugnet.general, Matt Hein writes: <big snip> (...) Specifically which Galidor? There's not a Galidor set that would compare size-wise or price-wise with a Sopwith Camel, is there? And to make a fair comparison you'd have to use sets/figures which (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Well, that may be true, but to say if you wanted a construction set with more expanded functionality, or an action figure that could switch arms and legs with other action figures, and end up looking somewhat freakish. Which would you choose? (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Richie Dulin
     (...) I think you're only proving to me that if I want a construction toy, then I'm better off buying a construction toy than an action figure. But I'm pretty sure I already knew that ;-) (...) Maybe. But you don't 'unlearn' French because you don't (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Of course so. The action figure thing just won't work in the long run. I could understand bionicle makingit, since its more of a buildingset than action figure contiguency, but the overall problem with Galidor, is that it doesn't entirely (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Sean Devolites
   Wasssssssup Everyone, Being the one who started this whole discussion (I wonder, was that was a good thing or a bad thing?) Is it possible to start a new lugnet. section so we don't have to take up all the others? Maybe something like lugnet.debate? (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Tim Courtney
   (...) Hi Sean - There already is a debate group, a bit buried though. Its under lugnet.off-topic.debate. But, I think this thread has gone beyond that. Perhaps this discussion merits a new group, "lugnet.dear-lego.waaaaaahhhhh" or (...) (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Sean Devolites
     (...) Wassup (...) I probably should have known that. (...) Could also be lugnet.off-topic-conversation (unless they also have that to). either way it probably would free up space the other groups want back.{ : ) Hasta La Vista, Sean (22 years ago, 13-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
   (...) I've seen some debate that has crossed the line, so I wouldn't exactly say that this thread crossed lego.wahhhh or lego.baseless. I'd say that this belongs in lugnet.dear-lego because, in fact, it addresses some of my personal dissatification (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Jon Palmer
   "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:H2ELFK.6IM@lugnet.com... (snip) (...) Well since you asked... I'm not going to say you rant to much. But I will say that I know you as "that guy who only complains". Sorry but the only posts (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
   (...) Well, The only thing I ask for is to see lego castle and space back on the frontline. If lego brought back just a new castle series, I could tell you right now I would drop everything I have and go back to my normal self (the non-complaining (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space, lugnet.castle, lugnet.town)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Tim Courtney
   (...) Perhaps you wouldn't, but don't be surprised if some people here don't believe that. I've skimmed most of this thread, and it sounds like a broken record. Some people whine about what LEGO should do. Other people counter them, but are (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego) ! 
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Matt Hein
     (...) Maybe so, I'm going to stop complaining right now, since I'm getting this feeling that I've ticked a bunch of people off. (...) Hmm...why don't you send me an email or something about this. (...) No, lego isn't really such a large part or my (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
    
         Re: Say it ain't so... —James Brown
     (...) Matt, I don't think you've ticked anyone off, particularly. You're just the latest in a long series of victims of "internetitis". There are several common discussions that will crop up around here, and this is one of them; you aren't the first (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Sean Devolites
     (...) I never said anywhere that I had to have things my way and I wouldn't shut up until I got it, and neither did anyone else. (...) Wasssup Tim, While your probably right about Jack Stone, couldn't Lego just branch off of Lego and make Lego Jr. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
   
        Re: Say it ain't so... —Tony Alexander
   (...) UH HUH HUH HUH HUH he thed "impotent" HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH thatth khool! Seriously, Parts is parts, and I agree with you about "see the cool in what's there." The day TLC or anyone tells me what I have to make with pieces from a (...) (22 years ago, 16-Sep-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
 

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