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(...) Though convenient for us, inconvenient for them. As I noted it could discourage immediate submissions, which would help the Repository. But on the other hand it would be good for people to note their own errors - especially for us, so we don't (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) submitting to the (...) sure each file (...) instructions (...) reflect movable (...) unavailable decorated (...) if unavailable (...) submit an errors (...) release of the (...) different author (...) could think (...) with the (...) have the (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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We should develop rules for official model creating and submitting to the OMR. First off, we can't expect all submissions to follow our header/filename system. The model editors will have to make sure each file follows those rules. Here are my (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) <dennett@agate.net> (...) yet, no number (...) the part), and (...) the part, what (...) You are asking about unofficial mock-ups? They are not to be included. Only official parts count. Does this answer the question? Ryan (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm saying if a model requires a part which hasn't been made yet, no number is known for that part ('cause the number isn't imprinted on the part), and an unofficial (or mock-up) file is used as a placeholder for the part, what name should be (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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After discussing the ldraw.org Official Model Repository header and file naming system, I feel that we can come to a final resolution. A lot has been discussed on the topic, including various file naming systems and also locations within the models (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes, but that could cause problems down the road. We do try to find numbers for as many parts as possible, but sometimes the TLG part number is not available. We will have to have a system of updating the models once official numbers become (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) number? How (...) What do you mean? If a piece gots voted in then it's official even if we don't know a number for it, correct? Ryan (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: MPD, the OMR, and Incomplete Parts
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(...) In this context, A/R just means picky about details in a Good Way. --Todd (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Is there a reason to put all the errors in one place, instead of putting a comment (or a 0 WRITE) before the plain-in-place-of-patterned line? But extras.dat is still needed. And what about part mock-ups for which there is no known part (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LDraw and 8.3
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(...) Ah. And I have now wiped GNAT off my system, so I couldn't tell which one it was. Windows Explorer thinks the compiled file (buildmpd.exe) is a DOS executable. But long file names are handled correctly, I checked both buildmpd.exe and (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Jeff Stembel <Dragonelf1@aol.com> wrote in message news:FDDp6J.IHz@lugnet.com... (...) Just wanted to be on the safe side :) -John Van (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Anal Retentive. I don't know why John said A***, in this context (and most others IMO) Anal isn't really a bad word. Jeff (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Wouldn't it be A** retentive? I can't think of a four-letter A-word. :) -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Scott R Dennett <dennett@agate.net> wrote in message news:199906151254330...ate.net... (...) A*** Retentive, I assume. (...) But it has everything to do with inventorying the parts in a set, which is another plus of the LDraw file, and one of the (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) LDLite do with a .txt file if it found it in an .mpd file? (...) I like this idea beter. LDAO and LDLite would pick it up and display it so people can read it if it was an errors.dat instead of errors.txt. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) each (...) of the (...) yet. (...) which is a Good (...) A/R?? (...) reason to have an (...) set (things (...) arms, etc. -- all (...) extra (...) And have you made a list of all those extra pieces, Todd? You can't expect people to do that on (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) A/R?? (...) Good idea.. (...) Ok. (...) Wow! You have pointed out something very serious. Should there be things in the MPD splitters to catch something like that and not allow it to write to c:\ or c:\windows? -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That sounds like a really wise idea...and positively A/R, which is a Good Thing too. :-) And not only that (but related), there probably is a good reason to have an extras.dat file to codify the extra elements that come with a set (things like (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:199906151603.JA...omm.com... (...) Why not just an errors.dat file with lots of 0 comment lines? What would LDLite do with a .txt file if it found it in an .mpd file? Maybe it doesn't care what (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: MPD, the OMR, and Incomplete Parts
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(...) Then we should put an errors.txt file in the MPD's to denote each discrepancy in the official models. Especially since a lot of the decorated or sticker elements have not been modeled in LDraw yet. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: MPD, the OMR, and Incomplete Parts
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Tim: (...) Yes, assuming the directories exist. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Steve: (...) No, but there are separate compilers for DOS, MS-Windows 95, and MS-Windows NT. (...) Depends on which compiler you used. (...) Nope. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | MPD, the OMR, and Incomplete Parts
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Since we appear to be using MPD for the Model Repository, I think its usefulness could be extended. Because of the patterned parts rule - if there isn't a decorated element for a set use the undecorated version - we will need a list of all errors in (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Bram Lambrecht <braml@juno.com> wrote in message news:19990614.203348...uno.com... (...) The Particle Ionizer has that many levels, but I just named them d, e, f, g, h. Your way is fine with me, though, as it gives the most flexibility. -John Van (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Looks fine to me. I didn't really feel like looking up all the release years for the models I've done. -John Van Bram Lambrecht <braml@juno.com> wrote in message news:19990614.203348...uno.com... (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Jacob, Does GNAT-ADA have an option for DOS or Windows compile? When I compiled buildmpd.exe, I didn't look for an option, I assumed it was a DOS compile. BTW, did you (Jacob) receive the buildmpd.exe I e-mailed? Steve (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Steve: (...) If you compile them for MS-Win95/98/NT they work with long file names. If you compile them for DOS, I don't think they will (but I haven't checked). Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually, to support more levels of subfiles, I suggested that we use the following, or a similar, format: main.dat Main instructions, including all models that can be built at once. Basically, this is just a display of m1.dat through m9.dat (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) into one (...) with >all the main model stuff in it, then a file called maybe SxxxxAyy for >alternate model 1, SxxxxByy for alternate model 2 etc. All the subfiles could >still go in a single directory called Sxxxx-yy. That could lead to (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: AUTHORS subdirectory?
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(...) I think this already works. (...) That'd be nice. It'd be one step in making LDraw into less of an "amateur"[1] CAD program. --Bram [1] As in the results and programming, not the users. I think Ldraw should remain as least as easy to use as it (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Help Still Needed
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(...) For what it's worth, which is nothing, I have a good deal of experience writing manuals and instructions because of some duties I have taken on at work, but the chance of me finding the time to do a GOOD timely job at this are exactly nil. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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There are still a lot of things that need to be done on ldraw.org, and there's only a handful of volunteers in a specialized area. We are in need of help working with reference material for the most part. As quoted from a previous post: 5. Reference (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) both. I (...) I would say both in one model wouldn't be too much to ask - at least in the case where such submodels don't overlap. In which they do overlap, I would go for rotating functional parts over official instructions. We can link from (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:199906142043.NA...omm.com... (...) No. Some people might use submodels to represent the building instruction submodels, some might use them for rotating parts, some might even do both. I suppose (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) referencing (...) So you are saying to have two sets of each model - the true-to-instructions official version, and the version that incorporates all the rotating parts. Am I correct? -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) Using "main-" and "alt" gives us at least three more characters for referencing submodels and sub-submodels. I think Bram's idea of main-a main instructions, model "a" main-aa main instructions, model "a", sub-submodel "b" main-ab main-b (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) think it's probably more work than it's worth. The beauty (...) from any direction, and used for creating scenes, e.g. (...) files for movable or rotating sections of a model than (...) The M:Tron Particle Ionizer someone mentioned is a (...) (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yeah, that's the idea. If the ZIP or MPD files contain the right subdirectory stuff, then they'd just fall right into place. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Lossless outlining (Was: [ldraw.org] Progress)
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(...) Agreed completely. For serious file-sharing, MPD is way better than inlining. Steve (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) It's not his .dat file that contains the space character -- it's an actual file on the disk. Bram was saying that he was using LEdit interactively and saved a file, giving the name explicitly but accidentally embedding a space character in the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Lossless outlining (Was: [ldraw.org] Progress)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <375bc53d.299725817@...et.com>... (...) In which case MPD would be better anyway. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmmm... Looks like LEdit handles this just fine as well... No problems here. Is there really any reason to maintain the c:\ldraw\models\etc. structure for use in future tools in the LDraw multiverse? Why not allow models to reside in (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) subdirs in (...) saving. (...) Win3.1 (...) So can't you just open the .dat file in notepad and delete that line?? Ryan (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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A couple thoughts on Repository format: Purpose for .dat repository: If all we are creating is an alternate way of creating instructions, I think it's probably more work than it's worth. The beauty of the LDraw .dat file is that it can be configured (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmm. LDAO is OK with long file names, except for a few functions (Copy File is one, I think) which explicitly require a valid 8.3 name. LDAO can be configured to translate long paths/names to short versions before shelling to other programs. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Bram: (...) I'll try to fix that. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Very good thought. As we discover the possiblities with subdirectories in LDraw, this is a very good idea for us to use. You are implying that people who obtain each author's dat files would put them in the same directory structure, right? (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I feel it is time to take what we have discussed and bring it all together to reach a final resolution on the filename format. Soon. In summary, we have discussed how to make an 8.3 only system of filenames, a long filename system, and a system (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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Tim Courtney wrote in message <199906120018.RAA060...mm.com>... (...) (1,2, (...) No. I consider Model that you can build from the box following one of the instructions in the booklet (the box may have alternate models) while submodels are smaller (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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Bram Lambrecht wrote in message <19990611.150459.824...no.com>... (...) Yes, that was my idea. It is necesary for us to use the correct terminology to avoid confusion. The set is the whole box. I consider model in a set that has an instruction (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <3761643a.3222363@lu...et.com>... (...) OK, I can see now that is not a wise idea to consideer duplicate sets as laternate models. Ampi ---...--- Imre Papp Geometria GIS Systems House email: ipapp@geometria.hu ---...--- (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Scott R Dennett <dennett@agate.net> wrote in message news:199906131707010...ate.net... (...) Hmmm, I just think it is sorta fantastic....... Maybe even a little awesome....... Kevin B aka Battlehammer (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) I'm fairly certain that LDraw and LEdit weren't written with subdirs in mind... LEdit doesn't even check if a filename is valid before saving. (I once accidentally put a space in a filename in LEdit on my Win3.1 machine, and now I can't seem (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: AUTHORS subdirectory?
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(...) How about widening it to 256 characters? --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) Excellent, that's great news! One thing that MS-DOS didn't totally screw up back in the early days -- even though it copied CP/M's blunder of using \ instead of / -- was the low-level functions for accessing files. Surprisingly, many DOS (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Uhhm, I don't think I reserved that much space for a single line argument in LDS. If you have such a long path name and use it in LDS, I guess it will overwrite other variables with most unpredictable results... /Tore (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) OK, well, having to explicitly use 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' isn't really that much of a handicap in the grand scheme of things. It would've just been a bonus/freebie not to have to use it; but it's not a real problem, right? (...) Yeh, I agree -- (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) Just tested: LEdit, LDraw, LDLite, and Jacob's MPD-Splitter all work with forward slashes as well! (Again, for Jacob's splitter, the dir must already exist.) --Bram (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) I'd (...) The 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' is necessary. I think it's safe to say that if you built the model in LEdit using subdirs, and all the components showed up correctly in LEdit, all other programs will also handle the sub-dirs correctly. --Bram (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: AUTHORS subdirectory?
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(...) Sounds interesting! Maybe we should wait until LDAO can display directories though... --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hey, Todd, that's a kinda neat idea. :) Any one else like it? Ryan ***...*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***...*** (...) c:\ldraw\models can (...) nice someday is (...) deep into (...) that other (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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| | AUTHORS subdirectory?
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Bram/Tim/Jeremy/Terry/etc.: Since it is looking more and more like subdirectories of c:\ldraw\models can be made to work very nicely, another directory that might be nice someday is an AUTHORS directory for personal models, for example: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) Awesome. That's so cool! One question, though: Does it require backslashes or does it allow forward slashes as well? (...) It looks like I have the same bug in mpdgarp*. Fortunately, some OS's allow the -p option on calls to the mkdir program: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Me too -- in a big way -- it's so clean. If the two most vital applications (LEdit and LDLITE) do support subdirectories, then IMHO the win is so big that it's hard not to justify using subdirectories, even if it breaks a few things for a (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) I did some testing. LDLite functions fine with subdirs in MPD filenames (ex: 0 FILE foo\bar\test.dat works fine, as long as any references to that file are 1 ... foo\bar\test.dat LDraw works fine with subdirs, as we already knew. The problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) etc. I really like the idea of using subdirectories. It will keep the \models directory uncluttered and be easy to understand. Now you still have to deal subassemblies in the directory system. Would you name them: m1-a.dat 1st component of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) Unzipping or splitting an MPD should create the directories correctly if they don't already exist (I hope). We should check if splitting an MPD with the current software does that. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, it was just an example to make a counterpoint against the other proposal. It it's the best possible namespace. (...) That's the whole point -- only backwards. (Go back and re-read the past few messages up this part of the tree... With (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | ldraw.org Glossary Needed
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Could someone or a couple people work on a comprehensive LDraw, LEdit, LDAO, etc.. glossary for use on ldraw.org? This would help a lot since we could reference pages with individual definitions on it from within paragraph text on the site. Remember (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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(...) This makes sense. Now, are we going to abandon the 8.3 or use subdirectories? Both?? If so, lets nail this puppy once and for all so he can't squirm and find an exception to the rule. The mere volume of email I've gone through today makes my (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I posted the URL on another node of this thread, but here it is again for convenience: (URL) a list of 238 duplicate set numbers. (...) Bah. Seriously, this is 1999, man. Tough beans for anyone still stuck with Dick's Operating System. DOS (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ok, can a model larger than 8.3 be *viewed* in LEdit? I'm not talking about editing, but just viewing. Try opening a file you have named bigger than 8.3 in LEdit and see what happens. If it works, then lets just screw the 8.3 system. -Tim (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a good reason not to let 8.3 filenames cripple the namespace. --Todd (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) First, tacking on submodels in addition to the year: S8857-80.dat 8857 Motorcycles S8857-80-a.dat First model S8857-80-b.dat Second model S8857-80-c.dat Third model S8857-93.dat 8857 Street Chopper S8857-93-a.dat First model S8857-93-b.dat (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If the subdirectory system can be worked out accurately and duplicated on users' machines, then I am for it instead. It keeps the 8.3 system and allows more freedom and can cover the rare oddities. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good idea then. But we need to make sure users set up their directories on their machines correctly. If not, those questions will fill up the ldraw.org help desk... (...) Talk yes.. and I can't wait to see it implimented. But talk is still (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good solution to this problem. We are assuming that these models will not be edited or modified or if they are very little, right? The idea of this repository is to give people access to the files so they can look at them in LDraw and if they (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] Serious snippage Todd, If you could come up with a complete list of irregulars, it would be helpful. We can figure out how absolutely necessary or how not absolutely necessary a comprehensive file system is that way. If there is less (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Not a bad idea, but tedious. (...) These two questions bring up a bigger question. What is this rumored LDraw II project and when will it be done?? I have asked this one many times and have gotten no answer. But some refer to it like the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Thanks! (...) Actually, the only set I can think of in which it would is 7171. Does any other set have that large a hierarchy of submodels? (...) I don't think a four digit year is really necessary until LEGO is more than 100 years old. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No. 'Name:' and 'FILE' are different. As soon as an MPD is split, all the FILE lines disappear, so you must leave in a 'Name:' Ex: 0 Title for the MPD 0 Name: filename.mpd 0 Author: Author 0 Comments 0 0 FILE file1.dat <---during MPD parsing, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) All LDraw submodels that are not official sub-models can be inlined and then the separate parts moved around to keep the order of attaching pieces correct. Ideally, an instruction generator should be able to go through the main DAT file and (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually, LDraw and LEdit _do_ support directories. You just have to specify the directory in the DAT file. How do you think the s\ directory under parts\ works? Take a look at the last few lines of parts\3634.dat for example. (...) There is (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why can't someone temporarily renamed a file to an 8.3 name while working on it in LEdit, but keep the names in a non-DOS format for storage and publishing? Or what if it were possible to use subdirectories? Then it could be 8.3 and not 8.3, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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We MUST keep it in 8+3 format because SOME PEOPLE still do use LEdit, and if you don't have the files in 8+3 format you can't use the files. I think that the way something like the Mos Espa set should be done is like this(I don't have the set so (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Bram, I think that's definitely on the right track! (At least with the double- and triple-letter combinations.) A great example of double-lettering is the 7171 Mos Espa Podrace™ set -- each of the three submodels of 7171 has itself three (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Is the 8.3 requirement a legacy thing left over from LDraw & LEdit being DOS applications? What programs in LDraw lore -don't- work on longer filenames? --Todd (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What about things like this?-- (2 URLs) one was released in '81 and looks like it has 3 submodels. Second one was released in '98 and looks like it has 1 submodel. Or what about this?-- (2 URLs) like the first one has instructions for at least (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Here's a thread on oddities -- sets which "break the rules": (URL) The duplicates are never in (...) Not always, unfortunately. Some notable counter-examples are: 8205 Bungee Chopper Has two instructions booklets labeled "8205-1" and "8205-2"; (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) for one or (...) models (...) (submodel) (...) (submodel) (...) component (...) official (...) the box) (...) making me (...) ZIP, you (...) Then you (...) components. (...) components (...) viewable as (...) opening (...) support (...) My (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) or would it (...) I just do it as SXXXXa.dat That seems slear enough to me. Also one other thing is that someone say does an airport, SXXXX-YY is going to have just submodels, no parts, and then the submodels would be MPDed. Example SXXXX-YY (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] I guess, since the - does nothing to the original designation and if there is only one model in the instructions the - denotes that. (...) I disagree. We should not offer the 'official' alternate models on the back of the box for (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a complex issue. The thing is, what is easy to click together with Lego could be difficult with LDraw. I would say LDraw uses submodels much more often than Lego would in its instructions. Say for example an angled wing assembly like (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. Ok, now for absolute clarity. The set is called SXXXX-YY.mpd (complete package) A model within the set is called SXXXXa.dat A submodel of a model is called SXXXXa1.dat But a submodel of a one model set would be called ?? would it be (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No. If these models are MPD format, the first line of an mpd is going to be 0 Name: 7140-99.dat to denote the dat filename. A program can easily pick it up once they give model titles to look at the second line. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What about the following, considering a set with instructions for one or more alternate models as well: sXXXX-YY.dat display file, XXXX is the set number, YY is the year, shows all models and alternate models, possibly with 0 CLEAR inbetween. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Like Tim, I prefer S because a model could be part of a set. (...) I strongly advise that we switch lines one and two so that this shows up on the first line as the title of the dat file. We should also include the official name of the theme. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) as (...) depth. (...) as (...) can be used (...) individual (...) Service (...) and the (...) models up in (...) Lego set, a (...) OK I can live with that. (...) c...etc. let the (...) appearing in the (...) Do you have to have everything that (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) between a (...) (commmonly known as (...) number, or a (...) the model and (...) be omitted. (...) cause some (...) Exactly! :) OK, I guess we've reached the decision that the first letter is to be S instead of M. What I had origonally done (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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