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Re: IMPORTANT - [ldraw.org] Official Model Repository
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lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw
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Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:41:38 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, braml@juno.com (Bram Lambrecht) writes:
> [...]
> sXXXX-YY.dat
> display file, XXXX is the set number, YY is the year, shows all models
> and alternate models, possibly with 0 CLEAR inbetween.
>
> sXXXX-a.dat main set of instructions, first model.
> sXXXX-aa.dat main instructions, first model, first component (submodel)
> sXXXX-ab.dat main instructions, first model, second component (submodel)
> etc.
> sXXXX-b.dat main instructions, second model.
> sXXXX-ba.dat main instructions, second model, first component
> etc.
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> sXXXXaa.dat first alt. instructions, first model.
> sXXXXaaa.dat first alt. instructions, first model, first component
> sXXXXaab.dat first alt. instr, first model, second component.
> etc.
Bram,
I think that's definitely on the right track! (At least with the double-
and triple-letter combinations.)
A great example of double-lettering is the 7171 Mos Espa Podrace™ set --
each of the three submodels of 7171 has itself three submodels: (a) a
podracer, (b) a pit droid, and (c) a little service stand thingie. The pit
droid might even arguably be a submodel of the service stand, or the service
stand and the pit droid together might be a submodel of the virtual-pair.
Anyway, your proposal above obviously breaks the 8.3 rule -- which I think
is a Good Thing if it can be made to work. The legacy of 8.3 filenames
would be a terrible, terrible thing to carry into the next millennium, IMHO.
BTW, the year could even be written as a four-digit number if 8.3 wasn't an
issue.
> I hope that's clear enough :) This system would also allow official
> alternate models without instructions (ie those on the back of the box)
> to be included when someone figures out how to build them.
Regardless of all of the mixed opinions here on this subject (of the
dataifcation of alternate models without instructions) -- I think it would
be a very good thing at least to _plan_for_it_ in the namespace.
All of the naysayers should bear this in mind: You don't necessarily need
building instructions for all alternate models! Yes, with most (maybe 97%),
you *do* really need them to get it correct, but there are hundreds of very
small sets where the alternate models are 100.000% clear on the box.
Take some of the Christmas holiday polybags, for example. There's no reason
to preclude their alternate models just because official building
instructions aren't present. In fact, some *main* models are so simple that
they don't even come with building instructions! :)
> This could lead to giant MPD files for every set, though, making me
> wonder if ZIP wouldn't be a better format. (Maybe both?) With ZIP, you
> could also create a directory for every model's submodels. Then you
> wouldn't be limited to only 3 characters for naming all the components.
> eg:
>
> sXXXX-YY.dat same as above, but references to components
> changed to use the directory
> sXXXX-YY\main-a.dat same as sXXXX-a.dat above
> sXXXX-YY\main-aa.dat same as sXXXX-aa.dat above
> sXXXX-YY\alt1-a.dat same as sXXXXaa.dat above
> sXXXX-YY\alt1-aa.dat same as sXXXXaaa.dat above
> sXXXX-YY\alt2-a.dat same as sXXXXba.dat would be above
OOOH OOOH -- Subdirectories! -- GOOD IDEA -- Good path to explore/brainstorm
down...
Could it work??? How might it work in practice?
Does LDLITE handle embedded /'s in "0 FILE" invocations? How about type-1
lines in DAT files? Can you have something like this?--
1 <affine transformation> foo/bar/glort.dat
Say, BTW, instead of an "S" prefix on the filenames, couldn't there be a
SETS directory beneath the C:\LDRAW directory? There is already a MODELS
and a PARTS subdirectory. It could maybe even go beneath the MODELS
directory...
Then (this is maybe getting out on a limb) you could have:
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\1974-90A\MAIN.DAT => Flyercracker U.S.A.
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\1974-90B\MAIN.DAT => Smuggler's Hayride
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\1974-90C\MAIN.DAT => Star Quest
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN.DAT => Mos Espa Podrace™ - Anakin
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-A.DAT => podracer
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BA.DAT => service thingie
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BB.DAT => pit droid
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN.DAT => Mos Espa Podrace™ - Gasgano
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-A.DAT => podracer
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BA.DAT => service thingie
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BB.DAT => pit droid
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN.DAT => Mos Espa Podrace™ - Sebulba
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-A.DAT => podracer
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BA.DAT => service thingie
C:\LDRAW\MODELS\SETS\7171-99A\MAIN-BB.DAT => pit droid
^^^^^^^^
NNNN-YYI
(Sorry for all the uppercase and backslash garbage (DOS legacy stuff), but I
wanted to be 100% clear in getting the idea across.)
If there's going to be potentially multiple files per LEGO set, then it
seems like a bad idea *not* to use subdirectories -- if it's possible to use
them...?
--Todd
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