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Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...")
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lugnet.admin.general
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Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:16:56 GMT
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The many personal insults and excessive crossposting by Ken Nagel in this thread
have earned Ken a one-week timeout from posting on LUGNET, beginning
immediately.
It’s unfortunate that Ken was let go from his employer. The circumstances of
Ken’s end of employment are not and cannot be exactly determined without further
details from the LEGO Company and/or Ken. But after reviewing the threads in
question, LUGNET administration sees no violation of the ToS on Larry
Pieniazek’s part in the original thread
(http://news.lugnet.com/trains/?n=24035). Additionally, Ken’s employment at
LEGO was more widely known than “friends and acquaintances,” as he wrote[1],
and has been offered by Ken in other forums (e.g. a Yahoo discussion group). In
fact, Ken has stated within this thread
(http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12148) that the prerelease set
information he discussed was available publicly before he discussed it, whether
or not LEGO wanted it discussed. By his own reasoning, therefore, information
within the thread in question can not be considered “private.”
As stated in other portions of this thread, the email sent by Ken was not
received by most of the administrators. That’s unfortunate. Even if it had been,
however, the result would have been the same. The issues regarding email
addresses have been addressed and shouldn’t be a problem in the future.
Finally, Ken’s accusation that the LUGNET administration refuses to apply
timeouts as necessary within the admin group are unfounded. We will continue to
evaluate posts by admin members (as well as all members) and take action if and
when appropriate. The reputations of each member of LUGNET administration are
resting on this assertion.
Despite Ken’s insistence to the contrary, no punitive action is required against
Larry in this instance. Ken may have felt attacked by Larry; but after
evaluation, we find that Larry’s reply to Ken’s post was not intended or meant
to be taken as an attack. Ken, however, has chosen to remain rude and
intransigent in his responses to various questions; has demanded an apology from
Larry and then demanded more (http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12127);
denied that there can be any other interpretation of events than his
(http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12150); refused polite inquiries by
LUGNET admins to elaborate on his initial assertions
(http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12171); abruptly dismissed Todd’s
attempts at helping address his concerns
(http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12198); and flatly stated he doesn’t
care what other people think (http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12156).
These repeated actions are inconsistent with the spirit and specifics of the
ToS, specifically the “no personal attacks” section.
Unless and until more facts are provided by LEGO or Ken (if and when he
returns), this issue is concluded.
Kelly McKiernan
LUGNET Administrator
[1] http://news.lugnet.com/trains/?n=24082
I knew of Ken’s employment with LEGO, and not through Larry or anything having
to do with this issue. I am not an acquaintance or friend of Ken Nagel’s, nor do
I have any “inside” information.
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Message has 2 Replies:
 | | Re: Timeout (was Re: "Some pigs...")
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| Now I understand that ken is bullheaded and may have justly received this timeout however I do agree that an apology is in order. Larry’s so called bad joke was insulting to me, as well as other NILTC members. Now I know ken could care less about an (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: "Some pigs are more equal than other pigs"
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| (...) I didn't ask for his apology but he did but then he turned around and started his campaign of justification and obfuscation. He still owes the library and NILTC an apology not that his apologies seem to be worth anything. (...) If that's the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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