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Re: Another Legend dies....
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Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:36:10 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Eric Joslin writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
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> > I wish Lego to serve both groups as I
> > said, but at the moment Lego works "against" the collectors. I see no • advantage
> > for TLC to do so: the collectors make the prices for used stuff high. this
> > helps TLC to sell new stuff at high prices also: good for their profit.
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> No. Wrong.
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> TLC gets no benefit from things sold on the secondary market. It doesn't • allow
> them to "artificially" inflate prices on "new" items... how many posts do we
> see on Lugnet complaining about the "price per piece" going up?
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> The only people that benefit from the price of a used (or out-of-production
> [OOP] MISB) set being driven up by collectors is... collectors. Actually, not
> even the collectors really benefit- the only people that benefit are those • that
> sit on multiple sealed copies of an old set, waiting for the price to go up so
> they can sell them at a profit. This is commonly known as "speculating" and
> the people that do it are known as "speculators".
And what about the "normal" people who go into their dark ages? Lots of people
know about the secondary market for used Lego toys and they do benefit by
selling their used stuff.
I think high prices for used stuff make it easier for Lego to sell their new
stuff. I can buy Duplo for a child and it's no problem to ged rid of it
a few years later. I think even those parly nuts prices for MISB sets make
people look at our hobby and make them sure about, it is a serious hobby, and
not a childish one.
> TLC re-releasing the sets will benefit *everyone* except the speculators.
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> Those that just plain want a set (I, for example, would love to have a
> Metroliner, and will definitely buy one- my first train set!) will buy it from
> TLC. Before now, if I wanted a Metroliner, I would have to look for one from
> someone else, taking a bigger chunk of my LEGO budget- and NONE of that money
> would go to TLC! Getting some of that money flowing back to TLC is good for
> not only TLC, but also for LEGO fans. In case you hadn't noticed, TLC has • been
> having financial trouble lately. I feel it is a great benefit to LEGO fans if
> TLC *stays in business* and keeps making sets.
If they keep making good sets. I do not need a company which produces town
junior and low quality crap like this.
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=2880
You surely never have heard any complaining by me about too high prices of Lego
sets. I want high quality stuff (like TLC made it in the past). If you haven't
noticed: new bricks have higher tolerances (wich is bad) and are more weak. So
they get scratches and are warped even as new bricks sometimes. If Lego wants
to make profit with crap, they have to look for other consumers than me.
> As I said earlier, the only person hurt by this move is the Speculator. The
> speculator will now have several copies of the set for which he paid more than
> the current "going price". It is difficult for me to have any sympathy for • the
> speculator... as a shadow market, speculators drive up the price for both
> collectors and builders by competing with them for available OOP sets. Then
> they prfit from this price increase by selling back the set to the builders • and
> collectors. I do not like speculators... they sit on sets that could be • making
> a builder or a collector happy, for no other reason than financial gain.
What is bad about profit? If I can get my childhoods dream (the 7740) as MISB
today for a horrible price, I still might buy it. Even if some speculator wins
a few $$. What's so bad about it. You can't make a dream become true every day:
then it is no longer a dream. A MISB Metroliner is no longer a legend: it is
just one average Lego set among many others. Just a lost dream - a stolen
possibility....
> So, actually, I quite like seeing them get burned by re-releases.
And you are sure, you are not just jealous against people, who bought from the
speculator or against the speculator himnself? Nearly all "speculators" I know
are huge Lego fans themselves and they do this (sometimes risky) speculation to
finance their hobby and help other people to become their dreams fulfilled. In
the end the speculator uses his won money to buy even more new stuff from
TLC....
> They should • find
> a better way to make money.
Why? Who would profit then?
> So, would you care to show how the re-release of these sets hurts either
> builders or collectors, or TLC? Because I just don't see it.
Just tried to give my explanation. It would be very easy for TLC to release
changed Legends, which would make both players and collectors glad. Tht's all I
say. But I alway read about people who would like to get the original for low
prices. That would give profit to noone but these cheap price buyers.
Leg Godt!
Ben
(who is NO speculator or MISB collector).
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| (...) if (...) Lego (...) Sorry for answering on my own posting, but I just have got an interesting picture, which I have uploaded at brickshelf right now: (URL) is another typical example for the new Lego quality standard, which I was refering to. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) one from our sets. If it's an important part we phone LEGO and get another. It happens. I get a bad or chewed part in 1 in 25 sets on average. That's less then 1% error. (That is the commonly accepted failure rate for electronics) So in this (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) No. Wrong. TLC gets no benefit from things sold on the secondary market. It doesn't allow them to "artificially" inflate prices on "new" items... how many posts do we see on Lugnet complaining about the "price per piece" going up? The only (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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