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Re: Another Legend dies....
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Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:05:01 GMT
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Here we go again...
"Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message
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> As a matter of fact I have to declare: Lego® ist not only a toy, but also • a
> collectors item. Many people collect sets (and pay lots of money for it).
> Others just need the parts for playing. Most of us do both: collect things • and
> play with the stuff. I think TLC should take care of both groups: the • "players"
> want to have stuff for MOCs easily available, the "collectors" want to • have
> rare sets.
Ugh.
Ben, I really do respect you and your building achievements, but I have to
disagree here.
In the end, I can't stand the fact that Lego is a "collector's item". The
fact of the matter is this - collectors drive up prices.
I am a builder, not a collector. While I do have a "Lego collection", I
don't purchase the product to see the price rise, or to sit models on a
glass shelf never to be touched again. I don't purchase the product just for
the sake of having something that few others have. I don't purchase the
product just for the satisfaction of owning it. I open all my sets. I build
models and I can't wait to see what my daughter does with Lego.
> The easiest way to solve this conflict would have been to do some slight
> changes in the new releases (for e.g. colour modifications and new • printings.)
> The players would get the wished stuff for playing (who would care about a
> mirrored print, if he wants to play with the stuff?) and the collectors • would
> be glad to find a new item to get it into the collection. For example the • new
> Metroliner could have been same as the old one, but in dark gray.
Yes, a new Metroliner would have been cool. But the old one is great too.
> ...and nearly all people around
> have a Metroliner now, so we do not need more copies of this set, which is
> weekly sold 10 times via eBay.
Wrong. How do you know what sets I have?
I don't have a Metroliner. Or a Club Car. I will not pay $250 for a used
4558. I won't pay $350+ for a MISB 4558. And I would much rather purchase a
set from directly from S@H instead of on the secondary market.
> And my last point (not too unimportant!): if the AFOL-market gets the
> Metroliner now, this decreases evidently the chance to get a new well • designed
> train set (with new parts and new part-colour-combinations). Instead, the • next
> train set to follow the 4565 will probably be juniorized even worse than
4560.
And what evidence do you have of this? In my opinion, all signs point to the
fact that the 9v train line is alive and kicking. And the models are getting
better and better. (and as an aside, I would rather see smaller, similar
themed cars as separate sets rather than big $140 sets)
> If the legends become a success this will just mean more 4560-like sets on • the
> one hand and more re-releases (I think 4551 and 4536 will be next. Yes, • 4551 is
> a cool set, but a green or brown 4551 with gray wheel blocks would be a
> fantastic set!)
Again, what evidence do you have of this assumption? I doubt there will be
another train-oriented Legends release for a long time. I'm sure Brad & Lego
Direct will examine all the lines and themes and ensure that they have equal
representation in Legends. There are a lot of sets and I'm sure the Space
fans are waiting for the Galaxy Explorer. In the meantime, I just don't
think Lego would re-release another full sized train set for a long, long
time.
> The new 1000x series just kills legends and is not helpful for me at
> all, since I get just "boring" stuff I have right now.... (I'm both • collector
> and builder).
The Legends are helpful for
a) Children getting into Lego for the first time.
b) Adults who put Lego away during the early 90's and missed out on a lot
fantastic sets.
c) Anyone who does not have the funds to purchase these sets on the
secondary market.
d) Anyone who wants awesome Lego sets.
Ben - I'm sorry to hear that LD has taken the wind out of your collectable
sails. But there is nothing stopping you from still enjoying your closet
full of mint-in-box 4558's and other sets.
I feel for Lego Direct. You can't make all the people happy all of the time.
Bryan
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| (...) Only the prices for the collectors item. I wish Lego to serve both groups as I said, but at the moment Lego works "against" the collectors. I see no advantage for TLC to do so: the collectors make the prices for used stuff high. this helps TLC (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| Dear all! I'm really glad with most of the latest news we have heared from TLC. Bulk order becomes better and better, (in Germany you can buy at S@H even without credit card!), the "My Own Trains" and the new waggons are nice as models and (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains) !!
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