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Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

Dear all! I'm really glad with most of the latest news we have heared from TLC. Bulk order becomes better and better, (in Germany you can buy at S@H even without credit card!), the "My Own Trains" and the new waggons are nice as models and (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains) !!

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) the US anyway don't have a lot of sympathy for what apparently was the majority view on 1000steine... (...) There have been slight changes! 10000 uses different parts molds (new style minifig torsos, 2 clip saddle, etc.) and the parts count on (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) Of course there are all opinions to be found at 1000steine, but the majority is of the opinion, that the Lego® hunting is such a big part of the hobby and they would not like to miss it. Buying something with your credit card gives you not the (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Erik Olson

One thing Brad Justus said on Saturday was that LUGNET estimates of how many Guarded Inns were being ordered were "way off" -- the point was that many, many times more are being bought by parents of kids. Sales "went through the roof" when the S@H (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —John Gerlach

(...) Some people think that LUGNET is the center of the LEGO universe. I'd compare us to a section of seats at a sporting event, with a couple of hecklers making the most noise. There might be 500+ seats, but only two people trying to get the most (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Steve Bliss

(...) That proves that more sales are generated by the catalog than by people reading lugnet. It *doesn't* say anything about the people making those purchases. Who knows whether it's parents, kids or AFOLs placing the orders? (...) Exactly. The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Erik Olson

(...) Good point. Brad only talked about how it was kids "directing" their parents to buy, shortly after the context of juniorized sets. I don't have a problem adjusting to being in a minority, because we've been coddled lately. LUGNET however has (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Frank Filz

(...) However Brad made it quite clear: "on 7 of 8 calls we listened to, you can hear the kid in the background directing the parent". Those sales are FOR kids, no matter whose money is being spent. While I question the 7 of 8 calls (Mike pointed (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Charles Eric McCarthy

(...) I don't know about all of you, but there are at least 6 non-AFOL families who regularly ask me for Lego advice (including help on buying out-of-production sets). I have told them exactly what I think about Lego Racers, Juniorization, Bionicle, (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Frank Filz

(...) I think they're underestimating it less than you think. Brad touched on this type of impact. However, I think their feeling is their whole Mania Club/S@H consituency fits this bill. Brad also made it clear that while he completely understood (...) (23 years ago, 3-Aug-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Richard Marchetti

(...) I don't like flea markets, and I don't like used stuff if I can avoid it. I have no sympathy with the view that the fun is in the "shopping" for the elements or sets -- I hate shopping! My preference would be for TLC NOT to rerelease sets but (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Scott Arthur

(...) I agree. In fact, the smaller the difference the more joy the anoraks will have. Other collecting fields suffer from re-runs, I do not see why Lego should be any different. Perhaps the anoraks should start collecting lines which may never be (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Lawrence Wilkes

"Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:GGKIFH.D1t@lugnet.com... (...) What a good idea Ben. I would support that. A bit like the Retro Station being released in 2 colours, yellow and red. Why not do the Metro Liner in new (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Josh Baakko

(...) I'd like to see that too, but I'm still getting a metro liner (not saying that it may end up being used for parts...), and a few club cars (definatly one for parts...), unless I decide otherwise... Josh (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jason J. Railton

(...) Well, the MOT has clearly been designed around the concept of interchangeable colours. The actual inventory of coloured parts is quite simple - the train is mostly black, with coloured highlights. The majority of parts are common to all the (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jesse Alan Long

(...) The new steam engine LEGO Trains sets can be bought in several colors but since we are talking about rereleasing old LEGO sets, I think that people should choose whatever colors that they want for their sets but in a relistic frame of mind, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Frank Filz

(...) Something Brad talked about that I haven't seen mention of is that he wants to head towards more customization of sets. I don't think My Own Train will be the last color customizeable set. He also mentioned things "Chinese family dinners" (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Bryan Kinkel

Here we go again... "Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:GGKIFH.D1t@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) and (...) "players" (...) have (...) Ugh. Ben, I really do respect you and your building achievements, but I have to (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) Only the prices for the collectors item. I wish Lego to serve both groups as I said, but at the moment Lego works "against" the collectors. I see no advantage for TLC to do so: the collectors make the prices for used stuff high. this helps TLC (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —David Lairson

In lugnet.trains, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes: <SNIP> (...) <SNIP> Ben, I see the point that you are getting at. I am not a lego "Collector" really. I buy legos and build with Lego's. But I am a collector of other things (Star Trek Action Figures, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Bryan Kinkel

"Reinhard "Ben" Beneke" <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:GGKnuE.8rt@lugnet.com... (...) Of course I don't "need" a 4558. But I desire one. But I won't pay secondary prices. I have a budget and have many priorities in life that are way (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Eric Joslin

(...) No. Wrong. TLC gets no benefit from things sold on the secondary market. It doesn't allow them to "artificially" inflate prices on "new" items... how many posts do we see on Lugnet complaining about the "price per piece" going up? The only (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) advantage (...) allow (...) that (...) And what about the "normal" people who go into their dark ages? Lots of people know about the secondary market for used Lego toys and they do benefit by selling their used stuff. I think high prices for (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) if (...) Lego (...) Sorry for answering on my own posting, but I just have got an interesting picture, which I have uploaded at brickshelf right now: (URL) is another typical example for the new Lego quality standard, which I was refering to. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Kevin Wilson

Reinhard "Ben" Beneke wrote in message ... (...) was LOL! I *want* that minifig head! Kevin ---...--- Craftsman Lego Kits & Custom models: (URL) Lego parts store: (URL) Lego auctions: (URL) Guild of Bricksmiths: (URL) Lego Web page: (URL) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Matthew Gerber

(...) Oh THAT! That's the new minifig 'Internet emoticon' editon head. Look for more to come, including: ; ) : P : D (...) And more! (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Bryan Kinkel

Ben, Are changing your argument against re-releases from an issue of collectability to an issue of quality control??? Yes, we have seen problems with production runs of train bases, some alleged printing smudgy-ness on 10000 flags, Indian horses in (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Christian Gemünden

(...) No - he's not chaning his argument, he's just adding new ones as new info comes available. I was about to post about the latest bad quality on .lego.direct but Ben has beaten me by a few hours and mentioned it on this thread about Legends. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct) !!

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jacob Arnold

(...) Sounds like you're complaining about a loss of nostalgia. I think you're in the minority, though. People who have the original set will feel a bit slighted, but people who don't have it feel like they're receiving a gift from Lego. That's just (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Scott Sanburn

To All, (...) That is a very interesting notion. I saved up and bought the Metroliner when it first came out, and I still have it today, and I love it too death. However, just because it is coming out in a new form, does not mean I lost that memory. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jeff Thompson

(...) Wow, that strikes me as as a little strange. Seeing the set re-released shouldn't damage your nostalgia for the set. All those happy memories are still there! I bought a metroliner off the shelf in 1995. It was getting rare at the time - it (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Aaron West

<SNIP!> The only complaint/issue that I have with the Legends/re-issue/Direct merchandise is that I have to figure out (a) what I want, (b) what I need and (c) which will be unavailable to me later as a Direct purchase item?!? I LOVE that the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Richard Marchetti

(...) Well, I don't know about a "majority" opinion, but I am a Lugnet member and I think the quality control issue is a VERY big issue. I am not so hopped up about the issue of how the elements are actually molded, my bigger issue remains the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jeff Thompson

(...) Wow! If the piece wasn't malformed/misshapen, I'd pay big money to buy that head! Obviously not the response you were hoping for. :^) I can't judge from the photos how bad the printing on the torsos of the figures is. I've been hoping that the (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Joe Franco

I think Ben is right. first of all, lego should stop juniorizing their new sets, let alone their vastly popular train sets. i think the 9v train sets were great, up until the 4560-or the US version the 4561. the 4559 looked ok, but with alittle (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Alexander Johnston

(...) Wait a minute. I thought lego IS reproducing the metroliner. Isn't it and the club car the August Lego Legends? Or did I miss something??? (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Aaron West

(...) Umm, yes. They are re-releaseing these sets. And you probably are missing SOMETHING if you own any LEGO or have ever bought large quantities of said brick. What I want to know, is when are the Collector Pirate sets coming out!? Any info I may (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Alexander Johnston

(...) Ha Ha. Very funny. :-) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Joe Franco

(...) Lego is reproducing these GREAT SETS?(4558 and 4547)? will there be any packaging or differences to the trains that are visible?where can i get more info on these new sets? Joe Franco (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Alexander Johnston

(...) There might be some minor packaging differences, but the set itself should be exactly the same compared to the 1992 Metroliner. Same thing goes for the club car as well. I am now scambling to get off my unemployed ass and start scraping up (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Fredrik Glöckner

(...) The new sets tend to come out in black/white boxes with new set numbers. I think that is beyond minor differences. (...) We will probably see differences in minifig elements (when was the new torso and head introduced?) as well as differences (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Harvey Henkelman

(...) Well Joe, thats a good start for the GNYLTC. I expect your membership to steadily grow and thrive.-Harvey (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

GREAT serive (was: Another Legend dies) —Christian Gemünden

(...) Well, I have to add that the Consumer Service is not only *usually* okay - it certainly rocks and is the best Consumer Service I have ever heard of! Of course I am sad about missing elements and defected parts - but the two pieces I claimed (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)

Re: GREAT serive (was: Another Legend dies) —John Neal

(...) Now *THAT'S* what I call customer service!! {:^D (I wonder if they would give me a ride to the airport next week?) -John (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Dean Husby

(...) Dean (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Dean Husby

(...) one from our sets. If it's an important part we phone LEGO and get another. It happens. I get a bad or chewed part in 1 in 25 sets on average. That's less then 1% error. (That is the commonly accepted failure rate for electronics) So in this (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) [snip] (...) You've (...) Sorry Dean, but that sound like the ancient Roman method to me: kill the bringer of the bad news and "solve" a problem by doing so. If I loose my credibility, because I collect a few pictures of bad parts, that has to (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Andreas Stabno

(...) You bring up an excellent point, Eric, namely the fact that these Legend re-releases might cause many of us to cross themes. For example, I've never been a castle head, but I will undoubtedly buy one of the Guarded Inn sets. Who knows, perhaps (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Santosh Bhat

I thought Lego was a company that makes toys, to be played with. Trading cards are made to be collected, not to be used as drink coasters. If a Lego set is in demand, then Lego will make more of that set because to them it indicates that the sets (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Scott Arthur

(...) I have no problem with the "slight" changes you suggest. But those will result in extra (slight?) development costs, and so may make other Legend sets a little less likely. I cannot find a picture of the "new" metroliner on Lego.com, but the (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Bryan Kinkel

(...) Scott- I agree 90% with you here. Lose the track and transformer. I like motors though. I've got more than enough curved rail. In general, I think LD would be better off selling trains piecemeal rather than large $150 sets. Each year they (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —John Neal

(...) Yes. Let LD show Denmark how popular trains still are, and then let *Denmark* spring for the serious train line upgrades (DCC, New track, wheels, couplers, automatic points and gates, etc) That way LD won't have to bear the development costs, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Lawrence Wilkes

"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GGKL2C.Loo@lugnet.com... (...) Good ideas Scott (though there was no transformer in the Metroliner anyway) Given that you can purchase the rest at shop at home already (track, motor), then why (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Scott Arthur

(...) I have never owned one which had its box, so I was not aware of that! I had a MISB one once, but I sold it. I have now sold/traded all my Metroliners and Clubcars as they were just too expensive to justify the amount required to get a decent (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Lawrence Wilkes

"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GGMH36.4qo@lugnet.com... (...) Well, I havent sold any of mine. But then they are all played with I did buy a MISB set for £70 (including a MISB transformer too) not long ago, and promptly (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies... ...changes to "new" metroliner suggested. —Johannes Koehler

Hello! (...) No motor? You will need the motors for the MOCs you're going to build from your new Metroliners, huh? Bye Jojo (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Johannes Koehler

Hello! Ben, I agree 100%. Bye Jojo (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Harvey Henkelman

Actually, I'm just happy that LEGO@ has revitalized the trains line. I consider myself to be a 'player' rather than a collector. While I do pay a high sum for MISB sets, I open them all and build these (with modifications, of course). But my motto (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —David Eaton

(...) A few thoughts. Originally, I kinda had this reaction, even from a marketing standpoint of TLC. I'll give an example. Charming Tails is a series of small, ceramic collectables, whose value has been steadily increasing over the past few years. (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Christopher Masi

Summary of my (Chris Masi's post) (1) I am happy whenever LEGO releases a quality set. For me and my collection, a re-release of a set that I already own does not reduce the value of my original set for me. (2) The popularity of the Legend series (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jacob Arnold

I don't understand how re-releasing these sets is bad for anyone. If you're a collector, you'll want the original set with its original box. The Legends packaging is distinctly different from the original packaging. Also, many Lego pieces are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Jeff Johnston

(...) Absolutely right, Jacob. I got the Guarded Inn re-release, which means that I can enjoy a very nice set without paying hundreds of dollars for it - and it doesn't even affect the value of Guarded Inns /without/ the box, because there are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Sean Harrington

Ben, I can't disagree with you more. I think rereleasing "legendary" sets is a great idea. I just don't agree with the ones that Lego has chosen. I hope that one day, as per Ole's vision, that a person will be able to go online and pick ANY Lego (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Kyle Beatty

(...) The collector mentality is nothing but Magpie-ism and pandering to it with 'rare' 'limited series' 'numbered editions' and other marketing goop is just plain icky. A set that isn't torn down and built into something else is a misfit toy. The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Benjamin Medinets

(...) Oh Really...magpie-ism....mmm...what do you call the fact that people have bought several multiple copies of the set? Sure some of the purchasers will part out the set to build other things...or in the case of train, will use the parts to (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Richard Marchetti

(...) Too true. I'd much prefer a huge line of accessory pack offerings and REAL bulk offerings to legends sets any day. But, what are you going to do...? I guess we get what we get, and that's all. -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)

Re: Another Legend dies.... —Joe Franco

Listen, All I know is that I cant wait to get my hands on two metroliners and two club cars. I just want those four sets all for me and my collection. No, i do not agree with people who resell the 10001 as a 4558 and a 10002 as a 4547 and make a (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.trains)