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Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars
Date: 
Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:55:09 GMT
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I have often criticized the past several years of set designs
in vague terms such as "poor design values".  I think I've
finally found the words to clarify exactly what I don't like.
Current set designs, with the notable exception of the Star Wars
line are "sparse" and "thin".  They use pars you wouldn't normally
use to build structures and vehicles.  Designs are "open" but lacking
any substance.  It's like fat free food.  At first it looks appetizing
but as you take a closer look or dig in you are very dissatisfied.
I love the new colors but hate the unnecessary mixing of colors in a set.
If the thing is gray, then make it gray, not light gray, white, dark gray
and blue.

When was the last time LEGO released a set where you have to build
a wall out of bricks?


KL

In lugnet.general, James Simpson writes:
In lugnet.general, Jake McKee writes:

I remember them very well. I also remember that the models in the box and
showcased on the back of the box weren't as sophisticated as they are today.
Not only because of a wider range of pieces, but an improved sense of design
and realism has made the models more detailed, better looking and somewhat
more complicated. I was actually looking through an old idea book last night
and was chuckling about how far LEGO design has come. (But really, aren't
today's alternative images the same concept as far as that goes?)

Jake, with all due respect, what models are you refering to?  The models of • 10,
15, or 20 years ago were far superior in terms of realism, details, and
attractiveness.

Yesteryear: Garage Doors
Today: No garage doors

Yesteryear: Cars with doors and chasis you could build
Today: No doors, and one-piece chasis pieces

Yesteryear: Buildings made primarily from basic bricks
Today: Buildigns made primarily from POOPs

IMHO, by every parameter, Town, Castle, and Space sets of yesteryear were
designed with greater detail, attractiveness, and *care*.  I'd wager that • almost
every AFOL here would agree that set quality has dropped precipitously since • the
early 90's.  There has not been any System model between 97-01 that can • compare
to the best sets of any year between 1978 and 1996.  What has changed for the
better in the past few years is that Lego is offering a more versatile range • of
elements, especially the old parts in new colors.  However, the irony here is
that Lego chooses not to enhance set design and playability with this great
expanded range of parts; instead, however, models are dumbed down and diluted • by
careless set design and over-dependence of POOPs and BURPs.

I'd also wager that kids are more sophisticated these days.  Does Lego mean to
suggest that, while I did just fine with un-seeded instructions back in the
early 80's (I'm 26), kids these days just can't handle the same concept, the
same task?  Does Lego think that kids these days are less inteligent than the
old guard?

In regards to the old idea books, most of the models therein were great • examples
of construction possible with existing elements.  I'm afraid to say that • current
System sets are for the most part uninspiring - they are the kind of slapdash
nonsense that wouldn't suprise me from a lesser company.  And the real irony,
the real tragedy, is that Lego is eroding its future customer base.  Lego of
yesteryear captured the imagination - set design, alternate-model-box-designs,
and Idea books captivated our imaginations; there really was a sense of wonder
about it that made us fall in love with the Brick.  Do curent System sets have
that same effect today?  I doubt it.  Not because kids these days can't be
inspired by non-media entertainment, but at least in this case, because Lego • has
lost its way.

respectfully,

james



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(...) Jake, with all due respect, what models are you refering to? The models of 10, 15, or 20 years ago were far superior in terms of realism, details, and attractiveness. Yesteryear: Garage Doors Today: No garage doors Yesteryear: Cars with doors (...) (23 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)  

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