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(...) Oops. That should be 0.4-1.2 increase in CO2 - that results in a 3-7% rise in yearly rainfall. Scott A (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The consensus view is that it is. I’m sure the oil companies have a few scientists or academics who can show otherwise. But, I also hear that there are academics how feel the whole concept evolution is bunkum. ;-) (...) ~5% increase in (...) (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm only going in on this one part here. It is my belief that man in God's image is not exactly literal, but of broader meaning Biblically. Image can mean form (arms, legs, head, torso) or function. My opinion of God is that He (not gender, (...) (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Long term. Unfortunately, most corporations, and (maybe more importantly) most governments only think short term. ROSCO (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Strong resonances with me. The hobby (like all hobbies?) lends itself to addictive behaviour. At least it's not physically addictive, although maybe the FOTW rush is a bit of a worry. Perhaps it's also the dissociation from reality that can (...) (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably. Apologies for the glib answers here -- I'm more interested in the logic behind them. (...) Worst case scenario -- global catastrophe. Even if Greenhouse _itself_ isn't catastrophic, it might be in combination with other ecological (...) (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As soon as the discussion loses its LEGO nature, go to off-topic I think. (...) Or at least the three main narrative threads in the Pentateuch have three different names for God, that reflect different understandings of God. Does rendering the (...) (24 years ago, 30-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well of course God existed first, that truth is tattooed on our arms at birth. That is after all how we know absolutely for certain. (...) If that were true why don't we all look alike? (...) If God is really a God why is it that he can only (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jan-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) looks (...) God, (...) But thats *human* religions!! What if God has It's own religion? What does It call Its Grand Overseer?? ROSCO (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the wrong question, because it begs the answer. I would suggest that a different line of questioning may be more fruitful. - Is the specific problem that Kyoto purports to solve really a problem? If so, how bad? If we're not sure, what (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You bring up some very good points that are pertinent to some Lego/Life things that I've been musing on. I may be alone in this, but I do sometimes feel that the bricks own me...I just *have* to get such and such a set to top off my (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is the singular of Legos then? ;-) Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gah! My mistake, wrong James! We've achieved critical James-mass, just like we exceeded the Eric limit! Dave! (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought you wrote that there was no such thing as "a LEGO," unless you're indicating that the company's half-life is 2.5B. 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 2.5 billion years. james (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "There is no god but Allah." Same God, by the way. Anyway, the question is whether God has a name for God, not whether we have a name for God. I suppose if God invented Aramaic or Arabic, that could be debated (scratching head and pondering (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, you could say either of those things, but they wouldn't be accurate (except insofar as 'Lego' is a noun in the vernacular(1)). There is no product called "LEGO". To collect LEGO, you would have to start buying companies. I don't think (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not sure I agree. Kyoto provided a framework for the worlds biggest polluters to reduce their polluting output. If you think it is not as good as it could be as it focuses on 40 or so industrialised economies - but ignores the developing (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Beware the JubJub bird, and shun the frumious Bandersnatch... Though in this case, like the Snark, the Bandersnatch turned out to be a Boojum. There's a Carrollian logic buried in there somewhere. :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Regardless, I see your site refers to "Virtual Legos," so you've apparently got a vested interest in both parts of this thread! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First of all, I don't know if I am supposed to take this discussion only to off-topic.debate or also have it cross-posted to general. If someone knows better, let me know. God existed first, before anything else. He created all things, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had forgotten entirely about IT - the only thing I know about this is what I read on the How Stuff Works web site. It reminds me of the hype surrounding a couple of vapourware computer games on the old ZX Spectrum back in the mid eighties (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. I thought Ginger was IT. Well, that explains all the hype of the last few months. Steve (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gather that in most modern monotheistic type religions, it all ends up at God, and that is that. No infinite regressions - God is IT, the be all and end all, the omnipotent, the Grand Overseer, He Who Knows all, etc. etc. Often the existence (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simpler. Kyoto is a bad idea. The one who wasn't brave was Clinton for not saying so. And I'll happily take my lumps from greens for that view. (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Quick Poll - Kyoto What is the feeling in the US/elsewhere regarding W's back tracking on Kyoto? The line taken by the "green" lobby in the UK is that he is not brave enough to shoulder the economics of the situation. Is it as simple as that? A UK (...) (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who knows?? But God (if it exists) probably has another "entity" that it looks up to, and chances are it's not called "God". Of course, this assumes that "looks" and "up" actually have some kind of meaning in God's environment... ROSCO (24 years ago, 29-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh, but then they would also have to change their building style. ; ) Robert (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That might be how we wind up handling it. I think he's been hoping for more tangible resolution, but what can you do? (...) "Let cooler heads prevail," in other words. Good advice always! Perhaps after a hiatus on the subject we'll be able to (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't this the classic "agree to disagree" situation? It requires effort from both you and him to do this. I don't have much to offer in terms of advice, just personal experience. I've come across this a few times in my religion (for all I (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not quite .debate material (yet), but I thought this might be a good place to solicit ideas. I have a coworker whose views on several key matters differ from and are irreconcilable with mine. For purposes of discussion, let's say that neither one of (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, of course, the more time spent together (if things work out), the closer you'll be. (...) Hmm, I agree and disagree altogether. Two weeks ago I would've agreed; but I've just visited my hometown and saw my old friends, who I haven't had (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. Todd is being a little morbid. I have a lot of good friends I have lost touch with (esp during my student days), I do not think of any of them as being "dead". Further, whilst I know a great deal of people online few of them really (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Only if their computer crashes as a result :D However, they can be born again. At least so long as they change their online identity. The person would then be an entirely different sort of animal than a friend, methinks. Somewhat sinister. (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, this list may not be very good. #5 is the only one I might possibly answer in the affirmative, but many would argue I'm definitely in the obsessed category :-) Frank (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Guilty. (...) Heh heh! Really, in the big picture, does it matter? Around my house, it's "legos" but I have to make sure I don't pluralize it online, lest someone get on my back. (...) Uhhh, okay, it happens... :) (...) Naahh, don't give a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank you very much for this Dan. This is directly related to a conversation we had on Saturday at the Lugola meeting, and here is my take on it. Here on Lugnet there are people of all different levels of commitment to Lego. Some, like me, are (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So when someone disagrees with you over something and you ban them, which then in turn causes them to leave the community permanently or give up bothering to share new models, is that akin with killing them? Robert (...) (24 years ago, 28-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack! Lay off the coffee, man! (...) Sweet! Dan (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe a friendship truly dies when people drop their committments of staying in touch. Friendship is a very time intensive relationship. The time spent with a friend allows each one to influence the other and the context of that time (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Daniel Jassim <danieljassim@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GAu62z.Lwr@lugnet.com... (...) Repeat (...) hobby, (...) ;^) Nooo...ooo!!!...!!! But I'll forgive ya!!! ROSCO (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mean, I'd say they WERE less of a friend and more of anquaintance. Boy, I sounded kinda ghetto on that sentence, too much hollerin' at my homey, M-Dogg. Dan (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is some truth to this, but if one loses the major connection with a friend, it is often easy for that friendship to drift away. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is still somewhat sad. I for one regret that almost all of the (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! I see it now! Okay, Ross, in that case...if I move on from this hobby, I - COULD - CARE - LESS about where these bricks go. Is that cool, buddy? ;^) Dan (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's riffing on the "could care less" / "couldn't care less" thing. Repeat after me: "I *could* care less... JUST NOT VERY MUCH LESS!" and he'll go away. :-) Hope that helps. PS, good thought starter post. I agree, there are things in life (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well this doesn't address the whole "people leaving" part of your post which was it's core but I have some comments to make and this seemed to be a safe place to do so. <snip> (...) I actually think we need to take ourselves much much "less" (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see what you're saying, dude. I know that the connections people make often vary. If the connection to a friend is based solely on the one activity you share then I say it is a shallow friendship (not saying that the people are low or (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry, Ross, but what does this post mean? What is a phantom logic reverser? Later, Dan (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, yes, and it is! Look at it this way: If someone you've known only from online for years suddenly ups stakes and leaves the hobby -- and you never see or hear from them again online -- it is essentially as if they've died. If they *had* (...) (24 years ago, 27-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Daniel Jassim <danieljassim@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GAtKH5.A99@lugnet.com... (...) lose (...) Aaaaargh!!!!! There it is again!!!!!!! The phantom logic-reverser!!!!! ROSCO (24 years ago, 26-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings everyone! I am starting this post in an effort to foster better understanding of this hobby and help keep things in perspective. Feel free to join in and say your piece. All I ask is that everyone keep an open mind, use kind words and read (...) (24 years ago, 26-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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OK, OK before this gets out of control....yes it was just a joke, and was really more of an inside joke with me and one of my fellow club members, not really meant to be a joke to fool the LUGNET community, even thought I used the newsgroup to carry (...) (24 years ago, 26-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.trains.org)
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(...) Leaving aside the linear political analysis (see Larry's post here: (URL) and more below), one explanation of this phenomenon is quite interesting. Say there's a scale with 0 as far Left as possible in a system, and 100 as far Right. A Leftist (...) (24 years ago, 24-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "and who's going to be president, Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber" (Ani Difranco) Since I sit _far_ to the left, I don't much care for either one of the mainstream US parties (not though it really matters, since I am a Canadian, and have no (...) (24 years ago, 24-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because at that point only he and I were technically "involved," so I didn't feel things were out of control--merely misunderstood. Thus I answered with a bit more explanation, as it was my post to which he was responding. When your post came (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point exactly. (...) Absolutely. The differences are carefully selected, but this two-party tyranny has blandified elections. On too many issues I couldn't tell Cheney from Lieberman from Dubya from Gore. (...) Again, my point exactly. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did just that. Bruce (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Sanburn writes: <snip> My peeve with this thread is that some in it perpetuate the "right == Republican" and "left==Democrat" mythos. As you know, I feel the political spectrum is not one dimensional. Not hardly. (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bruce: This comment isn't specifically about you, and I mean nothing personal, but why not take the flame-fests off-line? These grudge-matches that flare up come across as really childish. james (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whether the warning was mandatory or voluntary, I do not know; assuming it was voluntary, it was a) because of government strong-arming, or b) because of private-interest strong-arming. (...) Point well-taken. People who engage in dangerous (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think your above point pretty much nails it: bands that consciously try to imitate the sound/success of others usually are 1) not very good, and 2) always lagging behind the market. As you said, bands that are just themselves regardless of (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you love to shoot off your mouth about politics (in inappropriate areas) but can't stand it when someone calls you on it. That you don't care for me simply because I pointed out an inaccuracy is par for the course for you. Anything you (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Out of curiosity, were the warnings broadcast by government decree or by voluntary (perhaps preemptive) participation of the station? (...) Maybe it should have played continuously on a looping subliminal track! 8^) Seriously, I would think (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) . Or ".monty-python"... Why didn't you post this after Scott's post? It was the usual Scott trick where he makes his political statement in the fun area, and only when he gets called on it does he get in his last word in the same area (so he (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce and all, ruce, I don't like off.topic.debate, I don't like talking about politics here, and I don't really pacticularlly care for you, for that matter. Anyway, (...) Look at his voting record, he is not conservative. It is not inaccurate, his (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Death to political discussion in .fun! Death to it! Death! Death! With nasty sharp pointy teeth! love and rockets, LFB FUT->.o-t.debate (actually, responding to what I wrote might qualify it for ".fun" again. Or ".monty-python"... (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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I (...) Thanks for correcting me. I am sorely lacking in knowledge of early manga and anime but felt moved to try and clarify the argument. I have seen quotes where disney animators professed awe for Tezuka's work so its a shame that the disney (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kimba the White Lion (Jungle Taitei) was created by the undisputed "God of Manga," Osamu Tezuka. He single-handedly changed the course of the Manga industry when he released a comic book in 1947 that was novel length and had the first (...) (24 years ago, 23-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Big M has had fast food franchising (burgers) to themselves in Australia. So the Big Mac is the Big Mac. Only recently have Burger King started expansion. But I believe someone local had rights to the franchise name 'Burger King'. When (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What's in a name? ( Potter, Plagiarism, and Trademark)
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(...) Or, for example, a boy wizard and a boy wizard? 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, the story I heard was that as Fast food McDonald's moved into England and Scotland, the found a small restaurant near one of the desired sites named McDonalds. It wasn't too large or high class (I'll get to that later) but I also (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Same here. I'm really just intrigued by the whole thing, since it's a nifty string of coincidences even if no plagiarism is involved. No slur intended toward either author, of course! (...) Yeah, that assertion is pretty hard to refute! 8^) (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: If the word exists, that's one thing, but (...) Yes, Lego would have a case because it would create confusion in the public's mind. Less clear cut would be a recording company and a computer (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As noted above, "perhaps she has a case, perhaps she doesn't." I'm just not going to condemn Rowling based on what Stouffer had to say. Plagiarism, which is what Stouffer is implying to get public sympathy and promote herself, and trademark (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's wild. I guess my question is whether there's an established context of use for the word, or if it's just out there in the world. I mean, I'm sure someone in history, while wielding his non-cumbersome sword, might have commented "Gee, (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce, (...) Whatever Bruce. I don't think so.His leftword move to the left this election campaign showed his true colors, IMO. But I digress, I don' feel like talking about it. FUT to off.topic.debate, and you guys and talk about it. I will not be (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) There was a long discussion on this in various Harry Potter web locations. Yahoo Groups is where I saw it. Anyway, they came up with multiple uses of the word Muggle going back at least 50 years. Jason (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Funny you mention this, i remember seeing a story on a news show (dateline?)that there was a resturant named McDonalds, I think in Scotland, that is a very fancy, high class place. And (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tolkien pretty much did his thing for self-satisfaction rather than packaging something to be "sold" to a popular audience. In any case, Tolkien was interested more in mythology than actual history. I saw Inventing the Middle Ages on a (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup, that seems to ring a bell. Anyway, the word "Orc" couldn't really be protected under trademark laws (at least in this country). Bruce (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is related to the current thread of debat on fantasy fiction but is not a direct response to any single posting so I though I would free it from that entangled thread. The Harry Potter books have a direct relationship to a fine lineage of books (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Sword of Sha na na?" BWAAAAAA! :) Lord Bowser, your mighty steed awaits! (...) I'll put on the "historian cap" here: most Mediaevalists hate it, but Norman Cantor's polemic _Inventing the Middle Ages_ has a rather ...interesting... chapter on (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting - personally I listen to music that sounds good to my ears. I find the notion that because you are X you must listen to a certain type of music odd - for example, as a Scottish person I don't feel any great compulsion to listen to (...) (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I enjoyed Feist, even knowing it was derived from an RPG supplement. I enjoyed Daughter of the Empire and it's sequels more though. I wonder how many people who read Feist's books ever saw the RPG supplements though? Frank (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) FWIW, the American Heritage Dictionary says the root for ogre is from the Latin orcus, god of the underworld...huh. Now I gotta dig up the resource where I got my idea, I vaguely remember this being mentioned. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 22-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh alright. I agree: written for "young people" or not, the Prydain books are amongst the elite of fantasy fiction. Certainly the best written, for me. I read them as an adult, simultaneously with Eddison's first series. I broke with a long (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One thing in Donaldson's favor is that he isn't afraid to make his protagonists wholly unlikeable characters, as opposed to nice guys who do things as nice guys and end up as nice guys when the story is over. It's the age-old redemption-story, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That would seem logical, especially since Tolkien was a Beowulf scholar, but the attributions I have read specifically say it derives from ogre (or was it ogre actually derives from orc - dang, I don't remember). Bruce (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that I've agreed with you about Prydain here in the past, but I just can't let an opportunity pass unanswered. Alexander's Prydain books are just about the best fantasy fiction that I've ever read. I read it all as a kid and I happen (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. I can see the point if you do this and you're gonna use it multiple times *within a single document* (lawyers do it all the time!), and you can even do it using a glossary. What I detest is people who use an acronym *ONCE* and follow it (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I couldn't finish it either. I threw it against the wall. It had such a marketing hype from Ballantine along with the Hildebrandt illustrations, I felt betrayed that either would have anything to do with it. (...) I am a leper. I feel sorry (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought the word "orc" is derived from the workers around an orc-pile, i.e. a pile of dead bodies, as referred to in Beowulf. Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Middle-earth, hyphenated, small e. Tolkien had a number of idiosynchratic spellings, such as dwarves. Orc is derived from Ogre, which is why you see fantasy games can get away with refering to orcs, but never Hobbits. Bruce (who got away with (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lord Dunsany would be another, Fritz Leiber, Robert E. Howard, though none in quite the same style. (...) Lin Carter (terrible author, but great editor whom revived such authors as Eddison and Dunsany) very specifically reviled The Sword of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"TWS Garrison" <tgarriso@math.purdue.edu> wrote in message news:GAKFqz.58w@lugnet.com... (...) position (...) caves (...) Inklings. (...) Ouroboros_ by (...) fantasy--notice (...) spelling (...) of (...) post-nuclear-apocalyptic (...) As opposed to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wasn't saying that JR invented the genre, rather that he defined it for the vast majority of authors. Middle Earth *is* the template and yardstick for pretty much everything. I don't know the origin of 'orc' - tell me! - but I wouldn't have (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about Thundarrrrrr the Barbarian and his Fabulous Sun Sword? Dave! (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Plagarism in Fantasy Novels? (was Re: Harry Potter?)
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(...) I'd say the genre predates Tolkien and co. (see, e.g., _The Worm Ouroboros_ by E.R. Eddison). Tolkien is the archetype for much later s&s fantasy--notice blatent use of orcs (you can barely argue a medieval precedent), his spelling of dwarfs, (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You raise an interesting etymological point--who determines the "proper" pluralization? We're all well aware of the LEGO/Legos issue; while a manufacturer may wish a certain plural form to be used, what happens if no one uses it (or if enough (...) (24 years ago, 21-Mar-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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