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(...) Was that the kind with the retro-firing thrusters? If so, I seem to remember some one incident in which the jets were fired while the craft was too high above the runway, and it crashed. Do I recall correctly? Was that a herc? Do they still (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes that had an incredible lift to wingspan ratio and could fly at 35mph. I got to watch one take off one day and it took off on a length of runway shorter than my driveway. In terms of (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surely you must recognize the difference between a defective product (tires) which, upon catastrophic failure, directly cause an accident and a product (SUV's) whose design, in the event of an accident, may be unsafe. The high- bumper in (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't understand why more attention isn't focused on this issue. A few Firestone's wreak some SUVs and you're got a major crisis, but those same SUVs are a major hazard to normal vehicles and there seems to be far less concern about that. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That could be a spectator sport, not unlike dropping large melons from the rooftops of tall buildings. "I believe it will land some- where inside this 200-km circle..." (...) commented that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Selçuk Göre <ssgore@superonline.com> wrote: <CHOP OTHER STUFFE> (...) ...When I used to work for an airport maintenance service, my boss commented that the CIA really liked using little Cessna like planes that had an incredible lift to wingspan (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course it is an option, too. But high noise and more restricted operational envelopes of helicopters might be a problem, I'm not sure, just an educated(*) guess. Selçuk (*) I'm an Aeronautical Engineer. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If we're going to start talking about dropping people off, then why not just use a UH-60 in its Special Ops configuration? ~Mark (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IIRC, the SR-71 fleet has been retired completely. Surely there's something replacing it, but nobody's 100% sure what it is (Aurora or something else?)... (...) <sp-response> Matthias Rust. Anyone know where he is now? (Probably flying jumbo (...) (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) right about SR-71, but you don't need anymore since the effective use of spy satellites. But if you want carry and drop something (human, etc.) what can you do with a SR-71? Parachuting it while cruising at an altitude around 100,000 feet, at (...) (24 years ago, 7-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think where you cross the line that causes you to be seen as a troll, is with those last two sentences. Up to that point, your post was without controversy. Admirably mature even. However, (as a reasonably disinterested observer) those last (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is supposed to prove that a propeller driven craft is a better spy plane than the SR-71? I don't follow your logic here. ~Mark (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, just two simple words: Martin Rusk (sp). (the kid who flew the cessna 172 into moscow in the 80's) How is that for a answer???? James P (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) -note, a fair number of the special parts for Can/US/South America are made in Denmark and Switzerland...have you ever thought how many of _any_ lego piece you could cram into a container??? Believe it or not, it would cost _less_ to ship a (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Part of that probably has to do with the fact that shipping from Enfield, CT to Canada is cheap and fast. Shipping from Europe (Denmark and Switzerland) to Australia is both expensive and slow. The cost of shipping has obvious effects. The (...) (24 years ago, 6-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Ah, Larry is a true capitalistic pig dog troll! :) ...of course, this is coming from someone who is proudly communist, so take it in accordance with your own worldview. (I'm communist in the Marxist sense, not in the real world sense, in the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) LEGO hasn't, but you can find a MOC wheelchair at Suz's site: (URL) you've never been to baseplate.com before, it's only safe to warn you that you'll lose the afternoon looking at all of the cool stuff... ;) James (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh? If you want a missing limb, simply remove it. If you want a non-functional limb, leave it there and don't move it. If you want a mentally-differently-abled person, well, they pretty much can be. If you want a blind person, there are a (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) BTW, has Lego produced a wheel chair? I seem to remember one, but would like to find a DAT or photo of it (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Why do we not see diabled people represented in Lego(R)?
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(...) On the contrary, wooden legs and hook-hands abound in Pirates, while a number of minifig heads feature glasses. Most minifigs don't even have noses--I'd call that a disability! Dave! (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Why do we not see diabled people represented in Lego(R)?
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Simple question. Surely as disabled people are part of many communited. Why are they not represented in Lego(R)? Alex (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Bridget
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(...) Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble? :( (...) Ack, I know this is .debate and I should be all defensive and contrary and throw chairs at you, but that would be very silly considering that you're right. ;) US active Sonar can and does do this, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You must do as pleases you, Larry. I don't know you well enough to dislike you. I disagree with your views. I disagree that you necessarily know any better about any of this "business" stuff than myself. I could list my credentials here, but (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Bridget
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(...) the (...) to (...) Heckler & Koch built the P11 - an underwater firing 5 shot pistol that fires darts to 10-15m effective range under water and 30m above. From the info on the page, there are a handful of national militaries using it, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Varying degrees of educated guesses... indeed they are. However, I'll stake my business sense against yours any day. That is, I think my educated guesses are likely to be a bit better than yours, and I've shown why. 'Nuff said about that since (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, and I agree, it would be wonderful if TLC did this. My issue is that I think there are more effective ways of asking for it than some people seem to want to employ. Those ways feature politeness... and some sort of rational (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) For my part, I have nothing personal against Larry P. Hopefully these little skirmishes are no more than two Lego enthusiasts battling over the details -- and since the "devil is in the details," he probably possesses us both. -- Richard (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory)
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i agree entirly this has gotten to the point where it has just become stupid and rediculously non-productive. I think that this is something that should be dropped altogether since it seems to be causing nothing but frustration to all parties (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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Folks, let's drop this argument from lugnet.market.auction, either put in off.topic.debate or personal, huh? Scott S. -- (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Well, I'm certain if one of them ran across the other dying of thirst in the desert (or the Outback), he would not leave him to be taken by the vultures, but would quickly get him to a bar for a beer (or chai or diet Coke)! Maggie C. (who sees (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory)
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Well, it started when I saw the pictures of those sets in an auction, and I mentioned where those that were in question in the original posting about the guy selling custom sets or real LEGO produced sets. I then commented it would be nice if (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) The most generous refutation I can make to these assertions of yours, Larry, is to merely point out that assertions is all they amount to. I feel quite sure that neither one of us is in possession of the necessary information to do much better (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't remember how this thread began, but I thought the concern was at least as much that LEGO didn't publicize such things as that they were hard to get. That is, if you don't know something exists, you can't get it. (Or you find out about (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory)
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Why wouldn't *sonic* weapons be ideal (...) Yes, except for one small problem. (...) Wave propigation (sp for both of us!). Even if you focus the energy more than present methods do, _off_ the transmitter, you will run into the limit of boiling (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: New Chrome Castle Sets
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(...) Yes, I am seriously suggesting that you have to *justify* TLC making available "the whole available line of products" (1) to everyone worldwide. As I have tried to show by using some examples, I don't think there is money in it for TLC. And (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm not going to waste my time with your pigheadededness and obvious trolls for attention via email or newsgroups anymore. My last word on it: YOUR exact words "Please excuse my pessimism and possible ignorance in this matter but it seems like a (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To All, Ugh. OK, I just want to say this, and I won't saything else, I posted this to off.topic.debate as well, for I think we are drifting again into this. I am in my, why do people do this mode, and this guy is a prime example. Shame on TLC for (...) (24 years ago, 31-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Never underestimate the power one has by irritating a corporation. But I'm not sure what legal rights (definitely not sure re: UK law) he may have in changing his name thusly. "Legoland Windsor" is most likely a trade name, and protected by (...) (24 years ago, 31-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To All, (...) What a joke. This was an obvious attempt to try to grate a "enormously rich and powerful organization", or to get money out of them. People like this need to do something more productive than to irritate corporations in this fashion. (...) (24 years ago, 31-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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| | Re: Quote: "Legos are for 9 year olds..."
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It was only the one person who made a LEGO-related comment. I think he was just letting off steam like he later said. I suspect the reason no one defended/supported that particular comment (other than me, of course) is because they realized they (...) (24 years ago, 31-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My 2 cents I went and looked at the site when it came out. It didn't look like something I'd want to do myself, but I didn't see it as totally unsafe or anything. On the other hand I think I understand the model rocketry guys sensitivity to (...) (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Quote: "Legos are for 9 year olds..."
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(...) Certainly it's for 9 year olds; why shouldn't they be included? Dave! (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Quote: "Legos are for 9 year olds..."
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The subject line is a quote from a thread in rec.models.rockets dated August 28. I realize that most of you don't care, but I thought you might be interested in at least looking at this thread on rec.models.rockets It's getting out of control and (...) (24 years ago, 30-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: horizontal rocketry: wdyt?
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(...) I do not think your morons, however I would strongly suggest that you start using wire guides from now on. Make a spool and capstan assembley with good quality multi-strand cable. Parts may still fly off but will help keep the majority of the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: horizontal rocketry: wdyt?
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Thanks! No, no one was hurt (we've done about 15 LEGO-related rocket experiments so far). I've experienced enough burns and projectiles hits in other ways to know what it feels like. And, BTW, I DO manage to do some moronic things come to think of (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: horizontal rocketry: wdyt?
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(...) Why might you be morons? Simply because you used Lego and rocket engines to do something else? Or because of some kind of danger involved? If they are accusing you of being possible morons because of a danger factor, ask yourself this: Was (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | horizontal rocketry: wdyt?
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This post concerns those people who've seen our rocket cars/plane(s). After reading a thread in rec.models.rockets I am (that is, the lot of us in Victoria) faced with the fact that we might be 'morons' (we didn't start or recommend the thread). (...) (24 years ago, 29-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find that very unlikely. I don't see much anywhere near as much MB on the shelves as real LEGO around here. Stores such as TRU and WalMart tend to stock a few of the bulk tubs of bricks, and KB tends to have a few of the tiny sets, but they (...) (24 years ago, 25-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I will second Dave! on this one. MB minis do kinda suck, but then it also depends on which ones we are discussing -- I happen to really like the king figure in the Lion's Kingdom set, as well as the Eve White/Eve Black Queen/Witch figures, and (...) (24 years ago, 25-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The LEGOCRATIC National Convention
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(...) Correct there. Seems like the basic views of the parties are in contention with one another. What a great controversy... -Nick (24 years ago, 23-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fact, clone brands *have* come up with something on their own, namely a less expensive product to allow children and collectors a wider range of building choices than Lego alone can provide. However, to assert that all clone brands are (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have a nominee for President and VP? I could try to stage a presidential debate in my town's playhouse, (right behind the arena). (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Nicholas Fezie" <NSFosaur@aol.com> wrote in message news:FzoHut.FI1@lugnet.com... (...) are (...) parts (...) If you're looking at it from the perspective of parts, yes. But, I was looking at it from the POV of conservatives lean towards 'older' (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I must disagree with you here Tim. I believe Juniorization is actually conservative because fewer parts are used. Liberals would use as many parts as possible to build models. So that's my two cents. Now I need to go film my tv commercial, "It (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Nicholas Fezie" <NSFosaur@aol.com> wrote in message news:FzoG2H.9Mq@lugnet.com... (...) fight (...) it. (...) from (...) To (...) Conservative, of course! Down with Juniorization! Restore our themes to their roots! ;) -- Tim Courtney - (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The LEGOCRATIC National Convention
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(...) even awe! The happy face of all minifigs is nothing but a lie! We must fight for more emotion! <applause> Shut up! </applause> Now to get on with it. What a great convention we have had, now we must build our way to freedom from oppression and (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The LEGOCRATIC National Convention
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(...) John (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The LEGOCRATIC National Convention
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Here is something for those of you who love to follow politics (Whenever you need a break from the LEGOs, of course). Are you tired of the same ol' politics of the past? The bitter fighting in Washington getting to you? Well, the fine people of the (...) (24 years ago, 22-Aug-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.us.va.new, lugnet.town, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: I'm lucky to be alive
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Taking's Scott's cue to direct this towards .debate (though my response here isn't particularly of a debating nature).... (...) Actually, in this particular case, I think the truck riding up onto my vehicle may have saved me some injury. Of course (...) (24 years ago, 18-Aug-00, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: I'm lucky to be alive
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I am glad that Frank is alive, but this "discussion" is drifting into another debate issue, rather than Frank, so I redirected it to there. FUT To off.topic.debate, dropped loc.us Scott S. -- Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page (...) (24 years ago, 17-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people)
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| | Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego
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(...) Hey, I had the exact same thought. I'm trying to create the minifig version of the Colorado Rapids. 3 of their 5 forwards are Central American, one is African, one is African-American, and one is Caucasian. I just grabbed 5 of my minifgs with (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego
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(...) Hey, I had the exact same thought. I'm trying to create the minifig version of the Colorado Rapids. @ of their 5 forwards are Central American, one is African, one is African-American, and one is Caucasian. I just grabbed 5 of my minifgs with (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) Didn't (...) I checked with my friend at work from Iraq (note that he identifies himself as Assyrian) and confirms that arranged marriages were still happening there as of 20 years ago (when he decided he didn't want to die for the glory of (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) It's a cultural thing completely. We don't have any racist issues in our entire history (yes, there is some religious and ethnic discrimination from time to time, but not any related to skin color) so both race discrimination and political (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) It's very popular here in Turkey, especially in small towns and villages. The couple knows each other before the wedding generally, but it is not needed the marriage to be the decision and or desire of the couple (not of the girl, especially). (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) I hope I understood Eric's argument (that traditions aren't necessarily good, and often are changed for the better), and I totally agree with it. I even grabbed a sense of humour, and had a (wry) smile on my dial the first time I read his (...) (24 years ago, 16-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego
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(...) But it's an issue which comes up (naturally) from time to time -- and came up in RTL several times -- and it *IS* related to LEGO. Anything related to LEGO has a place here. On the one hand, I agree that it doesn't have a terribly big place in (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) I know a couple from Bengal (in India) that had an arranged marriage! Didn't meet until their wedding day. I had no reason to think you weren't being serious! And the example was wasted on me anyway, since I was presenting the scenario as I (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego
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(...) Always good advice! Yes! (...) IMO, no debate here deserves to die so long as people are still being calm and principled and the debate is taking place in the most appropriate group (often .off-topic.debate). The .off-topic.debate are is _for_ (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) Well, I thought that it was clear as soon as I said I had taken part in an arranged marriage. I do know well enough that the practice still exist- even here in the USA- but I thought that placed me well within the bounds of fiction. Live and (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | What would a kid think? (Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego)
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(...) David, I don't think it was 100% crystal clear that Eric wasn't being serious. If I didn't know Eric, and I didn't know that he wasn't married, and I didn't know that he was a swell guy anyway who would never advocate domestic violence, I (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Bridget
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(...) I realize that, but torpedoes are not bullets, they are not powered by small explosions of compressed gas & plasma, and they are not solid slugs of metal... They are very complicated computerized machines. Now, if you are talking about (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Concerns with Racial Attitudes and Lego
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(...) of (...) Well said. Bruce (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm, no. You and I traded a few posts about this, and I certainly don't wish the debate would "die"- not as long as there are Lugnet users who are interested in exchanging viewpoints about it. What I *do* wish is that people who don't want the (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, whoa. Hold on there, bucko. 1) Grab a sense of humour from somewhere. 2) Take another look at all the things I mentioned. I did not even come *close* to saying that yellow representations of darker-skinned characters would be as repulsive (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Damien Nesbit" <johnnobody@msn.com> wrote in message news:FzAvEv.36r@lugnet.com... (...) they (...) [...] (...) put (...) serioulsy (...) opinion (...) attempt (...) treatment (...) As you have stated, I understand that you have experience in a (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eric, I seriously doubt that the yellow minifig is as repulsive as domestic violence. I think you cheapen your argument by reacting in that way to Bruce's assessment of TLC's position (as I understand his comments). That's TLC's position, not (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First, I have to say that I agree with practically everything that Dave Schuler Writes in post 6299. But, I have to point out some comments that i found to be disturbing. Dave Schuler writes that "It's fine for a bunch of us to sit around discussing (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings to all, Have been following this debate for a while and I thought I'd through in my 2 cents. Don't know if you guys are familiar with World Cup Soccer (I certainly am not), but it is definetly not a sport played exclusively by "white" (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) concept (...) I'm not sure that science has a definition for "race": my physical anthropology teacher thought "race" to be a lot of nonsense based on purely external appearance (but for all I know this is out of date). Perhaps with DNA (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.starwars, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: Bruce, I fully agree with most of your points, except the following: (...) Seen from a scientific point of view, these statements are incorrect (I know you didn't necessarily mean them to be view that (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, and that's a good reason to keep it. This reminds me of the time when I was introduced to my arranged bride-to-be (my wedding day, of course). Apparently, the dowry her parents could offer was meager, but she said she would go out and (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) going (...) Yes, I questioned this earlier in this topic (quoting myself): "I have never seen ANYTHING from Lego that explains that this is their policy. Not here. Not on rec.toys.lego. Not in any of their sets. Not on their website. Not in (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. I am not going to respond to another one of Damien's posts, as he has become offensive and insulting. There is no need for racial slurs. Jason (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think they perceive of it as "race" so much as they perceive of it as they don't think it represents themselves. (...) I agree that "racial" differences are extremely subjective and based on appearance. We are all one race. Cultural (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, it's worth pointing out that the "yellow represents all races" thing is *not* the official TLC line. It's something that people have said to attempt to explain the fact that there are only yellow minifigs. eric (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Erik, Nice pics. My idea (which I haven't tried yet) involves painting a plain black head and then carefully scraping off the paint to form eyes, eyebrows, a mouth and other details as needed. Love the "animal masks." Great use of pieces! Dave Erik (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.starwars, David Low writes: (snipping intersting comments that stand fine without need of further comments from me) (...) yellow (...) are (...) I'm not convinced their needs to be a DSM (I'm just using the term out of convenience, BTW) (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and (...) I think the contrast between System minifigs and Duplo figs is important. Having Duplo figs with different flesh tones and different sizes reinforces for kids the importance of diversity. People are different colours and adults are (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (DSM pics follow) Do it yourself: that's exactly what I did for "Juba", the character from the movie Gladiator. Several Johnny Thunder minifigs became test subjects. I made a pale one for Maximus. Thinking: it's dumb to leave Maximus yellow (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey all, I think it would be great if TLG just started making multiethnic minifigs in all their product lines without any hype or advertising campaign. Just a quiet acknowledgment of the varied skin tones that exist in our world. The one snag I can (...) (24 years ago, 13-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I'm supposing that kids don't give a rat's ass about race. Kids play. It's we, the adults, who teach kids about race, or rather, skin color (given that we still are only one race, something we should perhaps also teach our kids...). (...) (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I geuss I have to thank dave for clarifying certain points from my previous posts. Specifically the issue of representational color in minifigs, and how a yellow lando would be about as good as a blue chewbacca or a green 3po. In defense of my (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Except that TLC did not model the figs in "natural" skin tones. They used bright yellow. Had they modeled the light skinned characters in tan then it would make sense to model the dark skinned characters in brown. (I was surprised and (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"David Schilling" <davidNO@SPAMsunteleia.com> wrote in message news:Fz63HJ.G4v@lugnet.com... (...) there (...) Dunno. I sure hope that the recent trend in licencing we've seen with TLC won't detract from their original products. Lego would cheapen, (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Speaking of <set:9171>, doesn't the figure almost dead center in the Pause DB picture remind you of Spock? The first time I saw it, that's who I thought of. Also, when I saw this set, I thought if LEGO can make a DUPLO set with people of (...) (24 years ago, 12-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:Fz5I5C.Ew4@lugnet.com... (...) taking (...) don't (...) Then that is something that we just need to agree to disagree on. (...) I started this thread to express my disdain about (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In your opinion. Perhaps you are right that it is the safe side, but I don't particularly view that as a good thing. (...) Where else would one challenge Lego's policy but here? You started this particular thread in any case. (...) As in, if (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:Fz59Mr.LAn@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) But (...) here (...) movie, and (...) term (...) any (...) Fine. My views are political too, but I feel that politically, I'm taking the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Well, someone else mentioned the inflammatory nature of the phrase "race crad" before, so I won't rehash that. I'll assume you mean that you think the best way for TLC to handle this situation would be not to make minifigs of Lando, (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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