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Re: Bridget
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Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:47:39 GMT
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  Why wouldn't *sonic* weapons be ideal
  for a fluid medium?

Yes, except for one small problem.


If you can work out the dynamics
  and the power, wave propigation should be well in your
  favour.  They are, of course, less useful in the air,
  but underwater they'd be magnificent.


Wave propigation (sp for both of us!).  Even if you focus the energy more than
present methods do, _off_ the transmitter, you will run into the limit of
boiling water.  US active Sonar can and does do this, under some
situations...the SONAR is powerful enough to boil the water off from around the
transducer, which produces a lot of steam, but not much in the way of
detection.  The SONAR which is certanly capable of doing this is the one on LA
class subs, because when you are deep you can put much more power into the
water than at shallow depths without this happening (because of
pressure/boiling temp relationship).  IIRC, the active array on a LA can get to
about 220 dB on the face of a transducer.


  BTW, isn't there a German SMG designed to fire underwater
  or in exceptionally "dirty" environments...?  Range would
  suffer, doubtless, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't
  hallucinating.

the caseless (G7?) I _think_ is the only one that could do that, because no
case to eject after firing.  It's still under development AFAK, and may never
see service.

James



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  Re: Bridget
 
(...) the (...) to (...) Heckler & Koch built the P11 - an underwater firing 5 shot pistol that fires darts to 10-15m effective range under water and 30m above. From the info on the page, there are a handful of national militaries using it, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Bridget
 
(...) Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble? :( (...) Ack, I know this is .debate and I should be all defensive and contrary and throw chairs at you, but that would be very silly considering that you're right. ;) US active Sonar can and does do this, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) You know, that's a great point--I think that when I'm back Stateside, it'll be time to produce something on this principle. Why wouldn't *sonic* weapons be ideal for a fluid medium? If you can work out the dynamics and the power, wave (...) (24 years ago, 4-Sep-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.space)

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