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(...) That makes no sense whatever. My wife and I have a difference of opinion about the importance of voting for Kerry, and about how much different Kerry is than the incumbent but choosing to vote one way rather than the other doesn't make it "me (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (Getting out red pencil) Incorrect! Wrong pun! Your reply was half-assed (correct pun for a semi-colon). -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) IANAEM, butt you are correct;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. You make it sound like a bad thing. :-) I'm not sure that society has any such "responsiblity", I just think it makes for a better society. (...) "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." And just (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think we'll have to let the arguments settle to the bottom and accumulate a bit before we sift through your sediments. We don't want to precipitate anything new at this point. -->Bruce<-- Miner in Geology (written as intended) :-) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, I accept that definition and gladly state that in a lot of areas, I am close-minded. Here is one example: on the topic of adultery, I am close-minded and reject that behavior. Do you have a problem with that? (...) More generalities. You (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We may have to. My definition of close-minded is to be so entrenched in your own point of view that you do not consider the possibility that any other point of view could have merit. Your endless circuitous logic, well demonstrated in this (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Me Me Me. Typical libertarian! I have never said or implied that I want to "tax and regulate till there's nothing left". I do believe that society has a responsibility to provide basic services such as healthcare and education. Does that make (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You make it sound as if there is something wrong with coming to a conclusion about anything. Is it so hard to accept that I can consider a POV and finally reject it? It is as if your definition of "close-minded" is anyone who doesn't see the (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...Or that I maintain an open mind, even when I am already fairly convinced of my viewpoint. Are you so arrogant that you believe it is possible for a human being to achieve total, certain understanding of these issues? (...) Listen to (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I bet the cave men once said that about community law too. Never is a LONG time. ROSCO (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Meanwhile, our political race is neck and neck (so say the "polls") and our election is due to be announced Any Time Now. I really can't get excited about either major party here either. Of course voting is compulsory here. I could vote (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Phillips wrote: (snip) (...) This only indicates that you hadn't considered all of the ramifications of a particular issue. Most of the issues I argue I have examined to the Nth degree; my only hope here is to (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd love to see a return to the tradition of Scandinavian Moots, where before each meeting of the governing body, they had to recite every law from memory. Can't remember them all? Just don't feel like repeating them all before you can move on (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I hope you're right that he's going to lose. I would have hoped to see some movement in the polls (for whatever they're worth) but I suppose the real test will be when the fur starts flying at the debates. (...) not even news anymore when (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mispoke? I'd call it a Freudian slip. :-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not that I am doing nothing. I think Bush is going to lose(1), when all is said and done. It's just that the other alternative doesn't excite me much. 1 - if he keeps saying things like this, maybe people will realise he IS saying the (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point, Lar. American politics is not a one-dimensional field, and I did not intend to belittle the parties/movements/ideologies that do not fit neatly into nice little red & blue boxes. As for your head-in-the-sand approach, well, best of (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Anyone who has read my LUGNET posts has seen countless occasions where I have retracted my own statements and/or evolved my opinion about one topic or another. And unlike George Bush, I try to never make a statement without backing it up with (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The good word I've always tried to share is that of freedom. Free minds, free markets. The problem is that neither "side"(1) gets it. The Right (that's you, John, and your ilk) wants to take away my personal *rights*. They are busily impinging (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree completely, and have been taking a similar course, for similar reasons. There's a parable isn't there, about scattering seeds all over, and the seeds sprouting and giving forth a harvest whose size depended on the kind of ground onto (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I doubt I'm in the choir to which you are referring in your subject line; you probably have me in mind when speaking about the "small conservative fringe on the right" (BTW, what does that mean, exactly?). So let me tell you about my (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I've noticed that o-t.d seems to be populated largely by people who will never change their minds about the issues being discussed. There are a lot of us on the left who seem to be pounding the same arguments into the ground against a small (...) (20 years ago, 8-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Tim, Thanks for posting this! I can imagine this bill would affect DVR (i.e. TiVo) owners too. Adr. (20 years ago, 7-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The record and movies industries are pressuring Congress to pass a bill this week that will threaten the iPod and peer-to-peer networks. I just sent free faxes urging my reps in Congress to stop the INDUCE Act. Convincing even a single Senator will (...) (20 years ago, 7-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you consider basic friendships as meeting the requirement for that tier, it really throws a different spin on that than if you consider it as only referring to dating-or-higher relationships. There have been studies showing that even having (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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So there's this Maslow guy who talked about the 5 tiers of basic needs-- physiological needs - food, water, secure place to sleep, etc safety needs - won't get eaten, stabbed, whatever love and affection - emotional bonding with others esteem - (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those crazy Canadians... Like everything else, shoestring budget (350,000) and using a baloon to get to a good altitude. Whoda thunk? Dave K (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Back-Bacon One, you are cleared for take off, eh?" WElcome to the private spacerace, neighbors! Dave! (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmmmm ... it is probably NOT a good idea to get into this at this place. I am not a huge moore fan, and I can certainly understand how he can come accross as extremly annoying. But your post has left me wondering and, with all the due respect that a (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) whatever reason, this was binned into the Oddly Enough section on Yahoo (because Reuters did, I guess). (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We've got Absentee Ballots, but they're primarily aimed at those who either can't be in their district on voting day (such as deployed troops), or can't reasonably be expected to travel to their voting place (such as the elderly or (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Postal votes have been used in the UK for yonks. However, they have been used recently as a tool to improve voter turnout. This has led to three problems: Party workers have been "assisting" voters with the paperwork. Within some ethnic (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:I1zIBB.6M0@lugnet.com... (...) you (...) to (...) not one (...) party (...) door). The best ballots I have seen so far were in Wake County North Carolina. A very easy ballot where (...) (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been against e-voting from very first moment I heard about it, because the closer it gets to being done over the internet, the closer it gets to the point where either a hacker can directly tweak the results, or a timed virus can prevent (...) (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interestingly, it appears that the GOP has decided that e-voting is so unreliable that it's encouraging Florida Republicans to use their absentee ballots instead. (URL) this is all becoming less and less hypothetical as we go along. Hmm... (...) (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Red Cross says Tipton Three may have case: US abuse could be war crime> "Some of the abuses alleged by the detainees would indeed constitute inhuman treatment... but we can't comment on this publicly since this type of allegation is raised (...) (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, only that it was intended to be taken in a humorous way. (...) Okay. You got the "joke" but decided to deliberately respond with hostility anyway. Fine. LUGNET just got a little less civil. JOHN (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that was my point. Last I heard, adding a smiley doesn't automatically make a statement into a joke, it generally requires some humour to be present. (...) Really??????? No kidding????!!!!!????? Ha ha ha. ROSCO (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that was the joke (hence the smiley). Your post was about 4 minutes after mine... (...) (URL) Lighten up, Francis.> JOHN (20 years ago, 5-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well John, that might even be slightly funny if it was all old news, but if you read carefully, you'll see I included more than your solitary useful link and one totally meaningless one. So please try to keep the stupid **** in (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd ask what a pentagraph has to do with either a pentacle or a pentagram...but I live in Holland, and I know how stupid some of the locals can be about such things. They did chase an Oscar-winning Dutch film out of town, after all. What (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll try to take your views on board. (...) I feel better already! (...) The one left of centre gets my vote. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Interestingly, (URL) this> makes it sound like the firework was named after the window... It (URL) appears> they are not normally octagonal. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) eh? What's *5* got to do with it? The name of the paper is pAntagraph, not pEntagraph (personally I'd love to publish a paper so titled in, say, Holland, MI to get the mundanes all uptight, but I digress) or pantOgraph, which was my original (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh I caught the rtlT topic relation, and I especially liked the 'eh' bit 'cause, well, I am Canadian and I like the 'eh', eh. But I just wanted to clarify for my faulty recollection that a Catharine wheel/window was 8 sided instead of 5. Dave (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't give a good enough hint with the "eh", I guess. This obscure reference was to rtlT's discussion about St. Catharines (town name) vs. St. Catherines (incorrectly spelled town name)... not to any torture devices, fireworks, windows, or (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always thought a Catherine Wheel was a rock band; maybe it's just that I have been staring at the sun too long;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I always thought a Catharine wheel was 8 sided, like a stopsign--I was told that those little 8 sided windows usually on the 2nd storey of small brick houses built in the 30's-40's were called 'Catharine windows'. Of course, all this is (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, PantAgraph. Where's St. Catharine when you need her, eh? (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This link (which I got to via: (URL) which I got to via a google search for Pantagraph and Moore ) would tell you, I bet. (URL) the first article down However it's wasn't worth 2.95 to *me* to find out. Perhaps it is to someone else. However (...) (20 years ago, 4-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This appeared the other day somewhere else (Los Angeles Times?). The really big difference was that they were reported as asking for $1 (note the significant lack of the word "million") in compensation for damages (a token amount so that they (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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It seems that (URL) Moore played it a little too fast and loose in F-9/11>. A newspaper was shown on screen with "Latest Florida recount shows Al Gore won election" as its headline. The Pantagraph of Bloomington Illinois, which is the newspaper in (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Prior to 1965, the 9th Amendment was not used to restrict the states from excercising their 10th Amendment rights. At that point, it was used to safeguard the privacy of one's home, but subsequent citations of the 9th Amendment have shown that (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you know that you are a bad bad person?(1) ++Lar 1 - You do know that you are bad, *not* for modifying, some of my best friends(2) modify stuff, but actually for not setting the FUT right? (3) 2 - Did you think to yourself "AND Rob (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.parts.mod, FTX)
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(...) What do you think? (...) Are you ignoring my clever wordplay? (...) Are you now the green-eyed grammar police? (...) :-) By coincidence, my son and I watched the original Batman movie last night-- they don't mak'em like they used to, do they? (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I suppose they did, though I wasn't really paying attention. I apologize if I let him off the hook too easy (and I think it is an established fact that John and I do not see eye to eye on politics or religion at all). But I do think he (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does that impact my rhetorical question one way or another? (...) What would make you think otherwise? (...) Is that a rhetorical question that I just questioned? (...) Ascii depiction of Frank Gorshin in his Batman nemesis role? ??>Bruce<?? (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol Like I said, you choose to make noise rather than be honest. I hate nobody. I have a dislike for Sharon, his policies and extremist Israeli nationalism in general; but I know I’m not alone in that. I also have a dislike for Palestinian (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, but didn't you hear? We're "TURNING THE CORNER!" That's right! Or was that "going 'round the bend..."? Oh well, nothing a few more Wal-Mart greeter jobs can't make up! LFB (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you not the KING of the noisemakers? Is (URL) this> not the latest proof? What is it with you and your anti-Israel axe grinding? Don't you think everyone knows by now that you hate Israel? Isn't that ground plowed enough? What ever is your (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Further news management?> If true, one has to wonder what this is costing the economy of the USA. Scott A (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have a friend who, when we were kids, tended to use the F-word far too often. He was careful never to do this in front of his parents. On the one occasion he did, his father ordered him to "Stop f*$%£@&g swearing". I suppose, this is a case (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Good questions outrank easy answers". I have some of the answers. In this case, my feeling was that John was being rather disingenuous... I was just testing my hypothesis. John chose to make noise rather than be honest; your and Bruce's axe (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Further theft.> Scott A (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, Yet again you have snipped the best part of my post! (...) It takes two to tango John! Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What's it to you? (...) Aren't you being a little paranoid? (...) Don't you know what you do when you assume? JOHN (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Did I give you reason that I didn't? (...) Are you impuning Scott's communicative abilities? (...) Is that rhetorical question? ???? (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Who wants to know? And why do you think they are interested? Am I wrong to assume you don't appreciate someone who has all the questions one could ever want? (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Haven't you noticed that Scott debates via loaded questions? Do you think it is a communicable disease? Am I doomed to writing only questions now that I responded to this? :-0 --?Bruce?-- (20 years ago, 3-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you really expect me or anyone else to have the foggiest idea as to what you are talking about? But more importantly: will this ridiculous interchange continue in interrogatives? JOHN (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is that really what you thought I meant? (...) Wow... Fox News! Even they qualified the headline with "appears"! It is strange how Scuds = Bush was right, whilst no Scuds = CIA was wrong... (...) (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So what is your point? Because I don't stick to facts means that you don't have to? (...) That was (URL) reported>. JOHN (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess it depends on who you think gets to interpret the constitution and define our rights. The Supreme Court has at least sometimes supported the understanding that Larry and I share (I think), that the 9th is an umbrella for all rights (...) (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, since when have you let the facts get in the way of a good story? John Neal, Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:10:12 GMT: "Scuds are flying everywhere-- where the hell did they come from? It's all been a big lie. The fact is that Bush was right." ;-) (...) (20 years ago, 2-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dude, you've flat out told me to stay out of discussions where I've had more authority to participate than you, or where the only person who really had authority to answer was known to be incommunicado at that time. You may not be seeing (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless you have specific, fact based allegations to make, why not keep your stoopid mouth shut? JOHN (20 years ago, 30-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "it would be best if the arrest or killing of any HVT were announced on twenty-six, twenty-seven, or twenty-eight July"--the first three days of the Democratic National Convention in Boston. How does he get away with this? Are you guys (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You have many exasperating habits, but exhaustively enumerating them here is not likely to be productive. I think you need to get over your notion that I'm out to persecute you or whatever paranoid notion it is you hold. (...) I don't see the (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes and no. There has been some interesting research into this (I think I saw it on Scientific American Frontiers, but I'm not positive about that), and what they've found is that the more hardy germs become in terms of surviving all those (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I agree on that point. If you're putting on the gloves to keep your skin clean while you're scrubbing out a scum-coated pipe, do whatever you feel is necessary to get the gloves to fit right. (...) No, it kind of got sidetracked by the (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dude, I think they have a cutoff at 50 or something. But you should do it anyway. (20 years ago, 30-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Have room at the house for your fam. until you're settled into Canada, and the selling feature (for you mayhaps) is a basement full of LEGO bricks--and I won't shun the non-LEGO elements :) I heard about the capture earlier on teh radio--a (...) (20 years ago, 30-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't remember for sure if it's completely sterile, but I do remember hearing that it's by far the most sterile bodily fluid. But it doesn't make it any less objectionable when someone drops trou and adds the "special ingredient". (...) (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (...) Gloves do have the advantage that it's easier to notice when someone didn't change them after hitting the restroom or hauling out a bin full of skanky rotting trash. When I worked (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, this is NYPD 24/7, not NYPD Blue (if it was a fictional show, this would have probably been a major plot point). This is a documentary show of real members of the NYPD. This was a real detective manhandling his latex gloves on a real (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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If memory serves, John Kerry was supposed to give his speech tonight. So, exactly on cue, we learn that a "high level Al Qaeda operative" (unnamed as of 15:37ET) has been captured in Pakistan. Although I don't give credence to "secret master" types (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'll go farther. Swifferization, overmedication, and anti-bacterial soaps strike me as bad things. We're training (via natural selection) the bacteria to be hardier. Strikes me as a bad long term strategy. (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, in my defense, I didn't say it *wasn't* sterile. I just don't want it on my sandwich! My understanding is that, after the initial blast (to clear out the plumbing), the stream is actually a nice anti-bacterial solution, due to its (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, urine is sterile. Still not a good idea to ingest it, but not for any bacterial issue. -Evil "full-of-useless-info" Wayne (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There certainly IS such a point, sometimes... The gloves are there to protect you from what you are about to touch rather than to protect what you are about to touch from you. That's not the case in this particular example, I suspect, and I (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. I've calmed down some since yesterday, so maybe I should cry "hyperbole" as my defense and leave it at that... (...) Well, on that I agree completely. I see it as connected to the swifferization of the culture and its antibacterial (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dude, you guys are creeping me out. Are you all serious? Man, I'd much, much prefer to have a human touching my food than some rubber-gloved freak. I've held off on posting until now because I can't find my words. This isn't about germs and (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I once saw a friend (a microbiologist) pick up his ice cream sandwich from where he'd dropped it in the dirt, and he ate it without pause or brushing it off. When a few of us expressed our disgust, he noted that "the dirtiest thing we eat (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you ever heard the phrase "what does not kill you makes you stronger"? I'm a big fan of food hygeine, but I also feel that germs are a friends too! Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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David, Two points: It is only a TV programme! I expect all DNA tests would be checked against those involved in collecting the sample... likewise for fingerprints etc. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have, thankfully, never experienced that (at least not that I can recall). The closest I've seen is when they tend the register before removing the gloves, but the gloves ultimately end up being discarded before they get back to the food (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's also funny (maybe not) when sandwich-makers used their gloved hand to take your money and return change, then return to sandwich production. I hate to think what lurks on paper money passed from hand to hand, though in Australia we have (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have an exasperating habit of picking at irrelevent details when debating, and to my eye, the wording of your post suggests that you were doing it once again (though you didn't pounce on my grammar error, which is a bit surprising). When I (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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