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Subject: 
Hey Pyramid Guy!!!
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Date: 
Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:20:26 GMT
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So there's this Maslow guy who talked about the 5 tiers of basic needs--

physiological needs - food, water, secure place to sleep, etc
safety needs - won't get eaten, stabbed, whatever
love and affection - emotional bonding with others
esteem - 'bonding' with oneself--getting some self confidence
and then the peak-self actualization--the spring board to 'become all you can
be'...

now I'm no therapist or have a doctorate in any psychological field at all, but
one thing struck me as a little not-so-good about this

i got into a few conversations about co-dependant relationships with people in
the past, and looking at this hierarchy, looks like it plays into the whole
co-dependant thing--why would you put the emotional bonding with others before,
or as a 'bigger, lower foundation piece' than your own sense of self--self
esteem.

I mean, if you are secure with who you are in the world, wouldn't that then lead
to a better, more meaningful and balanced relationship with someone else?
Wouldn't having a secure sense of self invariably lead to a better relationships
with others?  Wouldn't getting your bonding and emotional stability from a
relationship with others before your self esteem inherently lead to co-dependant
relationships?

Was just wondering...

Maybe someone with some sort of education in this field can clear this up for
me.

Dave K



Message has 3 Replies:
  Re: Hey Pyramid Guy!!!
 
(...) If you consider basic friendships as meeting the requirement for that tier, it really throws a different spin on that than if you consider it as only referring to dating-or-higher relationships. There have been studies showing that even having (...) (20 years ago, 6-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Hey Pyramid Guy!!!
 
(...) Ultimately it is because he was trying to describe his observations not make something up along the lines of "wouldn't it be nice if..." I think that people staying in abusive domestic relationships illustrates the importance of social (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Hey Pyramid Guy!!!
 
(...) I guess that's the question-- what does being 'on top of the pyramid' translate to? More valuable? More primary? More advanced? (...) I gots me some edgy-kay-shuns in philosophy-- and arguably dipping into psychology. I seem to recall that (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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