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Re: Preaching to the Choir
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:43:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:

   The Right (that’s you, John, and your ilk) wants to take away my personal *rights*.



   The Left (that’s you, Richard, and you, Scott, and your ilk) wants to tax and regulate me till there’s nothing *left*.

  
Myself, I’ll probably still vote Libertarian.


Me Me Me. Typical libertarian!

That makes no sense whatever. My wife and I have a difference of opinion about the importance of voting for Kerry, and about how much different Kerry is than the incumbent but choosing to vote one way rather than the other doesn’t make it “me me me”.

  
   I have never said

check.

  
   or implied

Bzzt! Thanks for playing.

  
   that I want to “tax and regulate till there’s nothing left”.

What’s an appropriate maximum tax rate for the very rich? A specific number is needed here else Scott is wiggling.

  
   I do believe that society has a responsibility to provide basic services such as healthcare and education. Does that make me part of the left?

It makes one non libertarian since “society” has no such responsibility, but one’s as much a part of the modern “right” as one is the modern “left” since both seem to hold this view. But I certainly would love to hear Scott say clearly and explicitly what views he holds... he’s more of a questioner than an answerer though.

  
Yes. You make it sound like a bad thing. :-)

I’m not sure that society has any such “responsiblity”, I just think it makes for a better society.

  
You should vote based on what is best for your country; not what is best for you.

If these are different, the system is broken.

   “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.”

The *best* thing I can do for my country is look after my own enlightened self interest in all things. Read your Adam Smith.



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  Re: Preaching to the Choir
 
(...) Just for clarity, could we have a solid definition of "Libertarian" here, leaving a minimum of wiggle room? My impression is that the Libertarian tent admits as many variants as does the Democratic or Republican tent. What's the clear (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Preaching to the Choir
 
(...) Lighten up. I was making a joke around the common (mis?)conception that libertarians tend to be a tad selfish. I'm not accusing you specifically of anything. But if the shoe fits... (...) It is a small point on which I did not expect a reply. (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Preaching to the Choir
 
(...) Yes. You make it sound like a bad thing. :-) I'm not sure that society has any such "responsiblity", I just think it makes for a better society. (...) "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." And just (...) (20 years ago, 9-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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