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(...) Yes, incest is prohibited in Leviticus. So are a lot of things BTW, like eating lobster;-) I think the issue predates the Bible. And I did a little research-- it appears that incest is taboo in virtually every culture (except in some (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I like the bit in the Bible where the men have harems--why can't I have my many women! K, I don't have a woman right now, yet enough to constitute a harem... so this point's rather irrelevant. <snip> (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There's plenty of examples of inbreeding in the Bible. Does the Bible also specifically forbid incest? It's not something of great importance to me either way so I can see my forgetting these details... (...) It is my understanding that (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, but you'd agree that it is taboo in our culture? If so, to what would you attest that value? I'll have to do a little research, but I think the taboo extends beyond any Judeo-Christian influence. (...) I don't follow you. Are you saying (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm no expert by any stretch but I think this is false on both counts. It's my understanding that if enough inbreeding occurs you actually get the same result as carefully avoiding inbreeding. I think there was evidence of this from (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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(...) In no particular order and not limited by national boundries, I give you... Thee List: 01. Prospero's Books (Greenaway) -- There's simply nothing else like it 02. Hamlet (Branagh) -- Closest film adaptation yet! Sorry, Mel -- not even close... (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (the sound of clothes ripping) Whaaa? You must be a closet metalhead who felt the jab of satire a little too close to home? :-) More proof that you and I don't see eye to eye on much-- as if that were needed:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm shocked! I thought Liberals loved that film! JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wonder if Jesus had cried out "RAT FART!" just previously.... Another art film on my list I'd forgotten! :-) JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Brother/sister unions are taboo in most cultures AFAIK. That could point to a genetic component that discourages such unions thereby avoiding inbreeding. Or, all of the brothers and sisters who tried to procreate produced (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh my! I think God doesn't want to see this film! Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I was going thru the list and thinking, "boy he likes Kevin", then the end caught me. Should have easily seen coming but I was still taken by surprise :) (...) True. Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Hmm...> (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I confess that I've never gotten into Spinal Tap. I don't know why, but it just doesn't grab me. (...) Terry Gilliam is American by birth, so THG might technically qualify. Dave! (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's my top ten: 10. Thirteen Days 9. Robin Hood Prince of Thieves 8. JFK 7. Dragonfly 6. For Love of the Game 5. Tin Cup 4. Waterworld 3. 3000 Miles to Vegas 2. The Bodyguard 1. The Lion King Oh, wait--that's my list of worst films. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course! Bueller would have to be included! BTW, you only have 1??? (...) If you liked that one, by all means see Waiting for Guffman, and the recently released A Mighty Wind. Same cast (it's almost weird that way), same hilarity. It is a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh My Goodness! I have the Grail on DVD. Seriously, it's so choice. If you have the means, I seriously recommend it. Spinal Tap--not my forte, but 'Best in Show'--lovely. Maybe it was all the Canadians in it :) Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) That's what I was going for. While we could debate the artistic merits of the explosion scene of the 2nd floor of the building in 'Die Hard'(1), I was wondering what people would (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No brainer-- This is Spinal Tap If your question is addressed to Americans, then I'd add The Holy Grail; if you meant American films, then I guess it wouldn't qualify;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Could you restate that please? Are you asking for a list of films that might possibly rise to the level of being called "art"? Does the list have to be composed of strictly american films for some reason? ??? FWIW, I don't actually subscribe (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) What flick would someone consider a 'truly art' from America? Like "Citizen Kane" or the like? Or is that just too obvious? Dave K (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) war hero and former presidential candidate George McGovern warned of the rapid retreat from democracy and shrinking Bush presidency in the April 21 issue of The Nation: "Appearing to enjoy his role as Commander in Chief of the armed forces (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Usage Restrictions -- Nasty EULA Terms ? Ban on Resale (URL) A small woodworking tool manufacturer, Stots Corporation, includes a license agreement on its TemplateMaster jig tool. The tool is licensed, not sold, and customers cannot sell it or lend (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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Looks like Mel caved after all... The last bit I saw on this yesterday on CNN claimed the film would release on Ash Wednesday next year with subtitles. ::sigh:: Maybe the DVD will release the originally intended, non-subtitled version. Then again, (...) (21 years ago, 24-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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(...) I have to agree, I downloaded the preview overnight and I am definately intrigued. The last movie I saw that I would classify as art rather than eye candy would have to be "The Red Violin." That was a good movie. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wouldn't necessarily say 'police', but if "Joe's Gun Shop and Deli" places orders into 'Smith and Wesson Gun Manufacturing Co., shouldn't S&W know to whom they're shipping guns? Make sure that the store doesn't have any outstanding ATF cites (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd say the ATF has to police this stuff and not that manufacturer, the reverse seems crazy backwards. If you are going to place the burden of regulation on the manufacturer, then what do we need the ATF for? I would say that citing the gun (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now that's a good point. That said, in the example it wasn't the linen company that contributed to the violation of the health codes of the restaurants--no one eats the table cloths. However, it is the guns from the manufacturer that directly (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I missed this post in all the commotion, so I didn't reply earlier. My apologies to John for the delay. (...) What's unscientific about it, exactly? Thermodymanics allows for "something from nothing" as long as the net effect is zero. Quantum vacuum (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) beyond the scope of what is wanted here. The gun shop is apparently not keeping very good records and the ATF is tasked with regulating the shop's negligence, neither is doing their respective jobs! I'm not clear on how or why Bushmaster (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Just 'cause...
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(URL) not the lawsuit that's being stamped out, it's not the bill that grants gun companies 'special priviledges' over other companies, that I want tp point out (though all worthy of debate)... " Police traced the gun used in the killings to Bull's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Members getting expelled for speaking their minds...
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(URL) Galloway has been expelled from the Labour Party in the wake of his outspoken comments on the Iraq war. " The following is a list of charges: " he incited Arabs to fight British troops he incited British troops to defy orders he incited (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Australians Get Their Licks In!
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Protesters to Bush: How dare you? (URL) In Sydney yesterday, the crowd, estimated by protest organisers to be 5000 people and by police at between 3000 and 4000, filled Town Hall square during peak hour. Senator Bob Brown of the Greens was greeted (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Ecce Homo -- Mel Gibson's Passion (more fluff, sorta...)
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(...) I say it's about time that filmmakers start taking chances and 'make art', instead of all this crass commercial crap. I mean, Matrix comes out and then a slew of copycats... and appealing to, well me, but that's a topic elsewhere--but bottom (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: (Re: It will be a long, hard slog) or, Why Christine Amanpour is My Girlfriend!
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(...) But it came from Rummy! That's the bit that I'm having a problem with--it's like many of us have known all along that the 'wheels have fallen off the wagon', but Rummy was the loudest speaker for the plan. Now that many more people are (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Gun Debate Ad Nauseum
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(...) Well, I decided to pull a "Richard" and delete the entire post and put in its place a trite answer. Seems to work well for you, so I thought it'd work equally as well for me. Dave K (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Does anyone else want to see this film as much as I do? I have seen a trailer for this film which is supposed to depict the last hours of Jesus as he faced his crucifixion. The plan has been for the film to be entirely in Aramaic and Latin and (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | (Re: It will be a long, hard slog) or, Why Christine Amanpour is My Girlfriend!
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Rumsfeld memo consistent with public views (URL) "Rumsfeld has not characterized it that way in public, but Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has used similar words." This story is at the top of the page on CNN (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree if there were laws or even constitutional rights that caused the deaths of innocent life I would be all for removing them too. Of course removing the right of law abiding citizens to have weapons does not reduce the crime rate, even (...) (21 years ago, 23-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What can you mean?! You're starting to be quite the jerk about this subject. I write a long explanation and you hit me with some vague argument without explanation. I won't waste my time on you again like this... It was my understanding that (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What does my opposition to a standing army have to do with the need, or right, to a militia? The militia is de facto -- it is the people themselves. There is no wiggling. I am not telling you that we are currently doing things in strict (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> (...) Selective interpretation at it's finest! Now look who's disregarding the founders, framers, fathers. Nicely done! Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This has nothing to do with morality. It has everything to do with your selective interpretation. Either the 2nd is archaic, for you do not supply militia members as needed from 'the people' anymore, the people who join the militia today are (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Looks like my dad was right again -- he mentioned this to me several months ago based on some reading he had been doing...I, of course, told him he was nuts. Frankly, the story seemed too much of a witch hunt, too extreme. And anyway, I didn't have (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Rumsfeld's war-on-terror memo (URL) "It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog." Related Story: Defense memo: A grim outlook (URL) Gee, what happened to the easy win (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In the main, the militia merely means an armed group of freepersons that are not otherwise playing some kind of official role or duty. I mean, a sheriff might call together a posse comitatus and work closely with one -- but he remains the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Excerpt: "You'd think by now people would see the scaremongering for the silly diversion it is. Local TV news actually inadvertently demonstrates how safe the world is. If several hundred thousand kids in the region walk to the school bus (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Misleader and the Gay Apocalypse
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(...) This is disgusting. Its a flagrant attempt to circumvent the protections of the first, ninth, and tenth amendments. The real question is will most people care enough to stop it. Further proof that our government will take away as many rights (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I think it was more a tongue in cheek reply to a tongue in cheek question. It is based off of the statement by George Mason “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” I would say that is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is that true? I don't dispute it, but I wasn't aware of it. If it's true, then what level of gov't official is included? Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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First just go and see it: (URL) A Band of Brothers: The Rebuilding of Iraq (URL) Recent estimates now put the final figure somewhere between $200 billion to as much as half a trillion dollars over the next ten years. America's Iraq-sticker-shock may (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well now that is interesting. These Blacktron guys look exactly like Confederation Militia Army Troops. An interesting coincidence to be sure but ultimately irrelevant. When you show me a ship which isn't really much bigger than the main (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not at all. You would be 100% correct as to the meaning at the time of ratification. But collectively, the 13th and 14th Amendment gave freed slaves the status of Freemen. Knowing precisely what that meant, many freed slaves had to obtain guns (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) K, I know when I've had enough and now I've had enough!!!! This thread is off-topic for off-topic!!! Any and all posts that deal with some sort of automatic binding building block do not belong here! I have spoken. Dave K -runs and hides like (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And we discussed this before--and you added addendums to the idea of "whole people" to not include those that are too young, old, infirm, or mentally unstable. Did you also stop to consider that, in context of the day and age, that "whole (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "We, the Royal House of Blacktron, are not pleased. By command of Surt, Blacktron the First, you are ordered to surrender and place yourself into custody for summary execution before your peers." -- Black Pearl, Lady Blacktron (URL) -- (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dude, I have ships... (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) Canada. Sure we may have people who have guns in the house--my uncle still has his shotgun from his hunting days--but it's not mandated under law. We have no "2nd" or comparable clause thereof. I haven't heard a Canadian say "I have my gun for (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | The Pledge of Allegience...
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...of the Galactic Confederation. I pledge allegience to nothing, for I am a freeperson. By the ideals of our founders, never shall an innocent be harmed. But, any who threaten my constitutional rights, shall be destroyed by me. This is the pledge (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) Not so much in the 'officialdom' of your leaders. (...) Lovely words really. Words like "service" to the country, "defence of the fatherland"... Would almost sound like a draft to me. But I'm not up on all things Argentinian. (...) I have no (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) Did you even read that cite again? Read the whole 3 message thread please: **From Bouvier's Law Dictionary and Concise Encyclopedia: POSSE COMITATUS. These Latin words signify the power of the county. Or yet again in other words: the power of (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) I shudder to think how bad it would be without our final check. Besides you are still agruing for an untested, let alone an unproven, concept. There is still no evidence supporting your claims that Democracy or Republics can exist without an (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) Well, the armed forces, the police, the reserves... any group that's "well regulated". Again I'd like any logical justification of private ownership of guns and how that would prevent this sort of thing. Oh wait, you own your guns and Iraq (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) Actually, I have to believe in a Republic -- because that's what we have. Personally, I am not at all interested in what other nations do for govt. I have no interst in selling democracy. Making the world free for democracy is a misguided (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Ubiquitous Mr. Hop-Frog
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(...) And we couldn't be happier! (...) <snip> (...) Perfectly stated (...) That is a beautiful pic! Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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(...) It hasn't been amply settled. You are not a well regulated militia by any standard of those words. It's a point you consitently avoid--you and others cut right to the "the rights of the people to own guns shall not be infringed" Further, you (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) And yet you support the notion that these people (the government) should be the only ones with weapons. I'm sorry it had to be said. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: And now for some fluff after all the heavy conversations...
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(...) You Homo-sapiens and your mechs. (URL)Click for larger image (~140k) Planetary Bombardment will stop all of this real quick. Mmmwahahahahahahahaha. -General Insanity (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: WARNING, VERY DISTURBING IMAGES (was Re: Holy crap! )
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(...) Wish I had the transcript of Tina's news report from SNL a few weeks back--A list of things Dubya hasn't been able to find. These days it's gone beyond agonizing frustration when I read about the deaths of soldiers. For what? Is there anymore (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is there a real difference between a pro-lifer and an anti-abortionist? Well, obviously there are different life decision situations, that people might have different opinions about, so hmm, here is the list I can see (I've included some (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I attended a party once in my college days where 'wacky tobacy' was very much used (and boy did I have the munchies that night). Truth be told, I didn't take one 'hit' at all, but the house was filled with the smoke thereof. I ended up heaving (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do not make me rouse the Gherkin from his slumbers... (URL) The Gherkin a.k.a. The Suicide Bomb! And it's not like he hasn't any friends...! (URL) The Gherkin and Sprite> -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And I would be in support of revoultions to overthrow tyrannies. Look, if you want to sell democracy to the world, which is a want that your country so obviously has, then you have to 'believe' (for lack of a better word) in democracy. These (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL. No they just are not considered part of the militia. (...) You do know that there are more Americans in formally declared militia groups than in the US Military right? (...) Yes but human nature has not. (...) I suppose we can both agree (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Alright, you have givin me no choice but to use my secret weapon: (URL) Runawaaaaay! -General Insanity (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not to really be flippant--so gov't officials aren't allowed to own guns? Any time I've heard of bills being presented to "regulate" the sales, distribution, or ownership of guns in your country, a huge furor erupts. Guns, or the use thereof, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's just *SO* wrong to use Blacktrons against me... I declare this space the property of... (URL) ::munching Freedom Fries dripping in good ol' 'meriKKKan ketchup, just in case those federal eyes are watching:: -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Backup, send backup! (URL) Your superior mutant frogs are no match for our puny plastic weaponry. -General Insanity (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your powers cannot save you! (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What?! Yeah thats not a violation of his constitutional rights or anything. (...) Agreed. (...) Ok that picture was just messed up. This calls for... -General Insanity (URL) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You know what Lar would say -- don't feed the frog! Purple frog delights scientists (URL) or printable version: (2 URLs) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You know as weird as that glass? frog is this real one is even weirder. Fascinating really. (...) I mean its a purple frog! -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just to keep it tidy -- he was not convicted of anything to do with drugs. He was convicted of selling rather common type pipes and water pipes. The fact that those items can be used to smoke an illegal substance is not an issue in my view. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Ribbit! (URL) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well now don't be silly. If drugs were legal we wouldn't have near as much crime to blame other things on. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I am SO hogging the newsgroup, Babies! Anyway, I thought these articles might interest y'all: Bad grades for a voting-machine exam (URL) (if you arrive at a page that makes it look like you have to pay for the content, look for the links towards the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Personally I don't understand why they want to keep her body alive when all of the doctors agree she is brain dead. What good is the empty shell? (...) The interesting part is I was thinking this might actually happen eariler today. (...) Well (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's true, and more than once I went to great lengths to make the point crystal clear too, with lots of historical references: (URL) 2nd Amendment -- Bare Bones> And gee, that cite is not even that old...last year. I find it annoying when a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Rhetorically, you've come to the right place. You also slam-dunked it each time. I have nothing to add. Tragic story from every angle. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why should the horrors of real war be off-topic for off-topic? I couldn't willingly look extensively at that material right now, but a brief look at the front page told me enough. OBL? At large. People beyond the very small group in the U.S. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How did I know there would be a site about this? (URL) He's been convicted of selling smoking accessories online or something like that. Considering what I see for sale in Berkeley every time I'm there I was kind of astonished at his (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I'd have to say the recent (last 50-75 years) histories of many South American countries is also proof that not having guns makes a country ripe for a dictatorship. So yeah, if that's not proof I don't know what is... I think Kooties (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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So here's an interesting thought exercise related to this... Let's say the husband gets sick of this and brings a gun to the hospital to try and shoot his wife, but gets stopped by a nurse. So then, the state of Florida decides that that sounds like (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) case is pretty disturbing. It seems that folks want to go to no end of efforts to keep people alive. Are we headed for a future where we can't have our LEGO because someone feels that the energy that is spent to develop, purchase, and play (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, as Hop-Frog has pointed out numerous times, our founding fathers stated quite clearly when asked that a militia was anyone that is not a government offical. (...) Perhaps that is the modern day definition, but what does that have to do (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps the smoke you smell is the char of civilian Iraqi flesh. Take a look at these (URL) horrifying images> to see the real payoff of the oil war that Dubya has pushed so enthusiastically. Do not click this link if you are upset by graphic (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You didn't say anything new in there at all, Mike. Lets have a looksee-- " Are you joking? “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” What (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh... The Simpsons. Homer: "Hey Apu, you wanna join our Civil War re-enactment, we need plenty of Indians to shoot." Apu: "Mr. Simpson, I don't know which part of that sentance to correct first." Smallville is probably the best live action (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Crappy parents raise stupid kids. (...) Well throughout history we have yet to see a country prove otherwise. Oh wait, that's not proof?! (...) You know you still have not replied to (URL) this> -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'll give you my list so you don't feel so bad. In addition to Survivor (which I only followed religiously the first time but it is on in our house so I tune in and out) the only shows I have actually sat through so far this season are two (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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