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Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:34:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Look, if you want to sell democracy to the world, which is a want that your
country so obviously has, then you have to ‘believe’ (for lack of a better
word) in democracy.
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Actually, I have to believe in a Republic -- because that’s what we have.
Personally, I am not at all interested in what other nations do for govt. I
have no interst in selling democracy. Making the world free for democracy is a
misguided ambition in my view.
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These other countries that you always bring up as cites haven’t lived the
‘democratic life’ for 200+ years.
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http://www.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/ar00000_.html
Yeah, gee -- democracy in Argentina only goes back to 1853. How backward is
that? Those damn people are probably still living in caves!
I think Argentina formally abolished slave trading in something like 1813. You
may note Section 15 of their consitution states:
“In the Argentine Nation there are no slaves: the few who still exist shall
become free as from the swearing of his Constitution; and a special law shall
regulate whatever compensation this declaration may give rise to. Any contract
for the purchase and sale of persons is a crime for which the parties shall be
liable, as well as the notary or officer authorizing it. And slaves who by any
means enter the nation shall be free by the mere fact of entering the territory
of the Republic.”
Here’s section 21:
“Every Argentine citizen is obliged to bear arms in defense of the fatherland
and of this Constitution, in accordance with the laws issued by Congress and the
Decrees of the National Executive Power to this effect. Citizens by
naturalization are free to render or not this service for a period of ten years
as from the date they obtain naturalization papers.”
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It’s like a society that has a cure for a disease that eradicated a virulent
plague many generations ago--the plague is gone but people today still insist
on having that particular medicine in their house “just in case”. The
interesting part is that this medicine can kill sometime if used.
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It’s funny that you should mention that, because that’s exactly how I see the
right to bear arms -- basically in hibernation until needed. Frankly, I have not
ever understood the passionate opposition to this idea.
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So if the disease is gone, why have the medicine?
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Well, it’s your analogy -- you do realize that we keep medicine on hand against
supposedly eradicated diseases, right? There’s no reason not to have them in
cold storage.
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You’re brainwashed into thinking guns solve problems. This is why you wish
to keep them. It really is the bottom line--your society truly believes that
guns solve problems.
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Nope. Wrong all the way. I see guns as an absolutely last resort to a problem
that I hope never arises. It is always the last resort, but I wouldn’t hesitate
to make use of that response should the need arise.
-- Hop-Frog
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