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I presume you are in the U.S. for the purposes of the next comment, but even if you are not -- the point is a sound one. I didn't vote for Gore myself, but I ask you: do you really want to live in a country where the elections are being fixed? It's (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually motives are a good question. What possible motive could they have had to kill *any* journalist, that would have provided a benefit to them that was worth all the bad press they are receiving now? They have been going out of their way (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Dubya can have his brother appointed governor of Iraq, and have the Florida election commision make sure that those he doesn't want having ballots don't get them or.... We can trade zingers, Scott, but the real point is do you believe Bush (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or AlGore can get that bald guy with the glasses to continue recounting hanging chads until he gets the result that he wants. Scott (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident from start to finish, not just the moment of firing. (...) Regarding reports: see what I mean? (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that happens, then Dubya can just have the Supreme Court overturn the Iraqi election. Dave! (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) from the article: "With a long career centered mostly in the Middle East, administration officials describe (Barbara) Bodine as an Arabist who favors traditional, "stable" Arab regimes - the kind where democracy does not flourish." Note that (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First Al Cezirah Baghdad office (bombing, 1 cameraman died, three injured), then Abu Dabi TV Baghdad office (tank fire, no causalties), then Hotel Palestine (tank fire, two died, three injured). All in yesterday, all in just a single day. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not because we can't win the war, but because we're already setting up to lose the peace: (URL) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure I agree with that, exactly, it's rather a long chain of inferences. (...) So stick to them, Dave! They're sufficient. (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Not by any definition I'm familiar with - why do you think it suggests 'dozens'? We have a coalition government in Australia (and it's often refered to as 'The Coalition') which consists of only two parties. (And I note that our (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll agree they probably didn't give an order that the building should never be shot at. I think that order would be just as idiotic. I don't think they shot at it just to shoot at reporters though either. Which some news reports have (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one was. See it in www.euronews.net (choose language first; by the time I'm writing this, it's the second video on the main stories page - requires real player to be seen). The story is here: (URL)b) "unclear", my @$$. European network (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tanks are not necessarily buttoned up (hatches closed with the crew inside). I don't know the current tactical doctrine on whether the commander stays exposed for greater visibilty or trusts to the optics and air-conditioning of the tank or (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I have reasons to believe there is a Polish contingent over there as well; and I know that the Spanish Navy has ships deployed in the region to assist in the operations. It's a wider gang than you may think at first, even though only 3 of the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From what I could see on the footage, there were at least two tanks and no visible ground troops. I assume the camera, which was located at the hotel, to have about the same viewpoint as the alleged sniper. (...) The RTP reporter was (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I pointed out in another post, people on the 11th floor didn't hear the actual explosion loudly enough to find it suspicious, so the failure to hear rifle fire is hardly incredible. I work in a conventional office building--if someone fired (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I won't dispute that the leadership knew of the hotel, not that it did not want reporters killed. I ask you though, "to avoid making it an explicit target", isn't it implying it can very well be an "implicit" one, whatever that may be? (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I must take exception to the use of the term "coalition" -- a coded term intended to suggest dozens in numbers when in actuality only 3 countries are actively participating in the INVASION of Iraq: the U.S., England, and Australia. Further, there (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard to second-guess battlefield conditions, though I agree that it would have to be an impressive rifle to damage an Abrams. Were there unprotected soldiers or civilians on the ground near the tank? That might change the priority. A (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The leadership of the army knew that the hotel was full of journalists, and avoided making it an explicit target. However I don't think that every front line soldier is given a map of every building and told which to shoot and which not to. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) military officials said U.S. forces fired on the Palestine Hotel in response to sniper fire from various floors. It is not clear if the explosion was the result of the U.S. response." Comments to this: a) the hotel was across the river from (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, thank god we have the "edumacation" president now -- all that's gonna change! Spencer is not able to connect the dots like some of the other children in class, he ends up with a page of jumbled lines instead of a picture of duckie he can color (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right--I live in constant fear that a guy with a nickel-bag of pot is going to smoke near me. And those poverty-level criminals are much more dangerous than wealthier (and, therefore, acquittable) criminals. The racial disparity of the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I just learned from a previous post that you are a "booklet historian(1)" but I strongly agree on that one, and I wonder why an average American cannot see that one as obviously as any other non-American can see. US always declaring (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you rather have those criminals runing the streets? or should they just be executed? (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would not be so quick about declaring Iran as democracy. Do you know anything about how "oppressive" Islam can be? I don't think any "Islamic Republic" can be mentioned as a democracy of any kind. ý don't think any gowernment based on (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never saw such news in any part of the media during the period. It should be another case of intentional disinformation, either in your country or mine. Having both Fox News/CNN and NTV/Haber Turk (national news channels), and watching them (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) What is really odd, is that Glastonbury was Joseph of Aramathea's holiday destination of choice! (Note that I've never been to Glastonbury, and it may, in fact be a nice place to holiday. It just doesn't seem very convenient to Nazareth (or (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it isn't on television it can't be real, can it, now? Oh wait, what if it just had a web-site...would that count? -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No! Really? And you think I would have known that with those really obvious question marks at the ends of the lines! ;-) There were those in Britain that *wanted* to believe that (whether they actually believed it I couldn't say). I only quote (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Revolution Will Not Be Televised -- Gil Scott-Heron You will not be able to stay home, brother. You will not be able to plug in, turn on and drop out. You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip, Skip out for beer during commercials, (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) These are questions, not statements - and the words to a hymn, not the declarations of a faith! (...) I don't know: Didn't Jesus visit people in the North America after his resurrection, and organise a church there? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And did those feet in ancient time Walk upon England's mountains green? And was the holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen? Not to that extent. :-) Of course, all the nutcases left Britain (were urged towards the exit) and came (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) <snip> Isn't this true also of a fairly large group of North Americans? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The examples you give there come from quite a long time ago, I think things have changed. Having lived in both countries I would say that Britain (at least the part I live in, the South East) is hugely more secular than most of the US. Having (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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US prison population peaks (URL) your own conclusions, but negative comparisons to Russia and China is not normally perceived to be a good thing. I guess to go with our main course of "war" and the double-whammy sides of "economy in the toilet" and (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David Koresh and Andrea Yates sought strength and guidance from prayer, as do (presumably) Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. So did the Templars and the Inquisition. That is *not* an indictment of faith in its own right, but it does point (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What a great post! A reminder about the debating definition of bias. Personally, I don't believe that any source of information should ever be disqualified or ignored (philosophically/historically - i have neither the time nor wish to read every (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It would seem to me that the problem with apocalyptic beliefs is that they may tend to inspire the fulfillment of the prophecies upon which they are based. If the apocalytpic visions could be taken as a metaphor for wanting a better world, then I (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idunno, is Britain a more secular society? Not officially of course, the state and the church are the same vs. separation of church and state, but in practice? Many do want that "God Bless America", but in Britain some like to think that God (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this isn't a discussion about economic systems.. but if i recall correctly, Iran is feeding, clothing, and housing most its people.. any other economic information is arguable at best. the Economist, i assume.. i don't nor plan to read it (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip** (...) A careful distinction must be drawn here, because "bias" is a label thrown around here somewhat indiscriminately lately. Is The Economist biased against economic systems that don't work, or is The Economist biased against (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am glad you posted this, I was just listening to a British author who recently wrote a book that explains Blairs involvement in this war, I can't recall his name. He basically layed out what this article displays. The UK tends to be a much more (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, if we absolutely must have a mad theocrat in office, I'd certainly want the mad theocrat with God on his side. Pity that the rock of W's faith wasn't sufficient to keep him on the straight and narrow in 1992, fully 6 years after his (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which of course has no bias... (...) But NPR is not biased toward the US, if anything, it's biased against, and has the same information, so what IF the Economist is biased in favor of economic systems that actually work and against ones that (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) showing that article to my SO, she asked if I thought Shrub actually believed this stuff or if he was just trying to gain greater access to a particular constituency group. My answer? See subject line. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the most basic element of democracy is that the people decide how they want their government to work. in 1981, when US backed Saddam invaded their country, people signed up en masse to give their lives for their country. Of course, it is easy (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, whoops. I'm an Economist subscriber (print edition) so it's no cost to me. But the point of the article, and the diagram in particular, is that Iran is more of a theocracy that has some elected (but basically powerless) appendages, than a (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, is there a similar report that doesn't have a cost to view? Frank (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, not exactly a democracy. You may want to do a little more research. For starters, see this article, particularly the illustration of how power actually works: (URL) entire special report that this is a part of is quite good. (...) Yup. No (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) US diplomatic ineptitude cannot be discounted, but the main reason we are hearing here for the Turkish parliament voting the way they did is pressure from Germany and, especially, France, in the form of a threat to block Turkey joining the EU. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) oorr.. perhaps they don't want the US army so close to their border.. hmm? And what exactly is the USA doing in the area? removing a government hostile to us, and replacing it with one friendly. Iran is interesting in doing the same thing. How (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shh! You’ll scare the children. Just imagine the mess at the "trial" of either of these guys if they are ever caught! Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Patriotism (war time illness) made you blind Larry? Or is this somebody else messaging here using Larry's name? Everybody knows which country supported most both Saddam (against Iran) and Bin Laden (against Russians). (...) Turkish voting of (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct! I didn't want to boast about how many civilian lives we were saving by helping the US. It might have made the New Zealand readers feel bad. Cheers Richie (22 years ago, 5-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This [HM Government funded] report's author was on Radio 4 the other night. His study was a desk study; parts of which have been superseded by a UN report: (URL) also conceded that the model he had used was unreliable, that he was not always (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Excuse me sir, can you tell me the way to the Chinese embassy? Surely you must have an A-to-Z? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean they have no right to self-determination? Even Scotland has its own parliament these days! (...) What about the USA? Who does it sell/give guns 'n' bombs to? (...) No mention of the USA's tactics? What was Pakistan to get for its (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey Richie, you failed to mention Oz! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) (Warning: turn your sarcasm detector off now - it may overload) Eureka! Now I understand! Turkey not helping the US probably costs thousands of innocent civilian lives? Of course! Now (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you could get a little comfort from thinking how accurate U.S. intelligence reports on WMD have been. ROSCO (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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some excerpts from. (URL) senior leadership decided last month to send irregular paramilitary units across their border with Iraq to harass American soldiers once Saddam Hussein's regime fell, according to U.S. intelligence reports. "This confirmed (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From: (URL) looming controversy: U.S. and allied use of depleted uranium in bunker-busting bombs and artillery rounds. Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the uranium that fuels nuclear reactors. It turns to fine dust when shells made from the hard, (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Glad you liked it. Josette actually found this one and we were dying laughing. I don't think this is a completely correct statement of official position, mind you, but it's pretty funny. Nor is it reflective of any particular individual (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) " Let us be clear. We are in favour of UN resolutions but against their enforcement; against the use of force but in favour of the threat of it; against fighting the war, but in favour of winning it. This is part of Canada's unique national (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks, Mr. Coyne for clearing it up! (URL) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason Gross writes: I did get a chuckle out of your (...) ROFLOL! I don't believe in any god or messiah, but that sentence was so greatly put that I'll identify myself to Jesus for the first time in man ueays by saying (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Haha! J'ai voté dans le hall minifig de gloire juste à la rancune lui! Faucon Noir! J'en ai environ 100 un. Yes, I know, it's fractured, but what do you expect for an on-line auto-translator? -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Vive le Quebec! Vive le Canada!!! Dave K -who didn't get much past gr. 9 French class... :( Je ne parle pas francais :( (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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See: (URL) am seriously suggesting that we send back the Statue of Liberty given to us by our fickle ally in 1886. Obviouly, we no longer have use for a french created icon representing our country...and especially the freedom we've so dearly paid (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See also: (URL) Arabia is America’s top customer. Since 1990, the U.S. government, through the Pentagon’s arms export program, has arranged for the delivery of more than $39.6 billion in foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia [later] The (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps once Iraq's oil has been securred, the house of Saudi will be sidelined? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) BBC Radio 4's "Today" pretty much sets the agenda here: (URL) ITN's C4 News is also proving its worth (URL)The real problem is how most americans just don't do ANY digging for the (...) Trust in the age of spin! (...) ...and if there are no (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Britain! (...) British! (...) Britain also expects progress in Israel / Palestine - the so-called "road map". (...) I'm having a "war movie week". I watched Full Metal Jacket last night, and I came to the same conclusion; just replace "gook" & (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good one, Lar -- now you're in step with the program. We should certainly be looking into any possible human rights violations on the part of any country with a lot of oil. Timing it closer to the events of 911 would have been better in my (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've received this email today. It's from member 956 John Robert Patterson, who writes: [Title: lego site] "Why don't you take the French out until they are removed from the axis of evil, leave it in English only? John P " This is the ENTIRE email. (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lego Superhero Comic Book
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This is why I love the Internet. Our fun little project has turned into a religious and ethical debate. As the co-author of the subject at hand, I feel obligated to weigh in here. I'll admit, Jesse, your initial response rubbed me the wrong way. I (...) (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | State department report on Saudi Arabia's Human Rights record
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(URL) US is not papering over that SA is run by a bunch of thugs. Whether more will be done about it remains to be seen. (22 years ago, 3-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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(...) I think it more likely we would end up falling over ourselves to do back-door deals in order to avoid paying. ROSCO (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Newspeak 2003
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(...) I read somewhere that it was only the (older) Tomahawk missiles that went astray, and when the problem was identified, the coalition immediately announced it's intention not to use them until it was resolved. The Cruise missiles and laser (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The Role of Dissent
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I, doubtless like many of you, have been watching the news, reading online sources, and watching CSPAN (which is the recorded govt. in action of the U.S. and often of England too). Well, I was watching "Poodle" Blair yesterday and I got the idea (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Capsule summary?
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(...) The linked site is worth a look: (URL) A (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Capsule summary?
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(URL) a bad job of flash (presumably) animation... I wouldn't count on it as an umbiased source of info though. (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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(...) Relate it to GDP. That way everyone gives as much as they can afford... sort of like income tax. Scott A (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Whose side are you on, anyway?
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(...) The whole report appears to be a statement of the obvious from analysts who are allegedly “linked” with the Russian military: ==+== Strikingly, the Russian analysts, whose work appears on the iraqwar.ru Web site, believe that U.S. and Allied (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Whose side are you on, anyway?
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More questions about the Russian role are raised in this UPI article: (URL) went to the iraqwar.ru site mentioned (URL) I did not see the information given but I wasn't looking very hard. Does anyone else? (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Newspeak 2003
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(...) Heck no, I'd stick it on ebay. ;) (...) On what charge? (...) Indeed, cluster bomblets have a 16% failure rate; I wonder who'll come and collect them? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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(...) from enother message: (...) I always believed that the 'merican sterotype (arrogant, ignorant, self centric), that every foreigner (to US) is familiar enough, is just a comically exaggerated unreality. At least I know too many american friends (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | stormtroopers? [Re: hearts and minds]
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On a not unrelated theme: (URL) A (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Newspeak 2003
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(...) Tom, I know yourself as one of the most reasonable guys here, much more than most of the other guys here including myself. But Iwhat you are doing right now is trying to rationalize the things in a wrong way, I believe. Just imagine: Some (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | "Death to Yankees" and "Rosbeefs go home"
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Very sad: French plea as cemetery defaced (URL) violation of a burial place - scandalous in itself - is an attack on the memory of the sacrifice made by the British and American soldiers who contributed to the liberation of our soil," said the local (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Newspeak 2003
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(...) Hey, why not let China [et al] make a copy of a dud? ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | GPS JAMMERS
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(...) My understanding was that it was claimed GPS "jammers" made no impact. In fact, [IRC] it was claimed a GPS weapon was used to destroy them ... I only wonder why they were destroyed if they had no impact? ;) The best estimate I've read is that (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't blame the *allies* either. UK armed forces have been openly criticising "heavy handed" practices used by the US ground troops. Have a gander at this: British military critical of US troops' heavy-handed style with civilians (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
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(...) *IN RELATION* to what Dave said!!! "Recent evidence suggests that the Emperor was about to surrender." You keep taking it out of context and trying to assert your own argument in there. (...) "...about to surrender"??? Nope. (...) "...about to (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
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(...) Let me again state your assertion: "we had no way to know what Japan intended beyond its action (which were that the war was going to continue to the absolute bitter end)." 1. We knew *at least* that Hirohito had proposed a peace deal (albeit (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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(...) I was born in '67 so it was the '80's when I became a teenager. But I was set when some of my older cousins played 'Crime of the Century' when I was a kid. It was the first album I bought. My parents listened to John Denver (who I still like, (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
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Argh! Correct you are... I'm thinking too much in the past, where we discussed Marillion for a bit. Of course, PF is also one of my longtime favorites - Marillion, Led Zepp, PF, RUSH, Peter Gabriel - those are what I listen to most, off the top of (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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