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(...) You seem to be missing glut.h. I thought I spotted it in the Mesa-5.0.1/include/GL directory, but I may have also installed the MesaDemos package which contains glut. If you don't have glut.h in that directory you can either install (but not (...) (21 years ago, 18-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) hmmm... here's what I get: $ gmake -f makefile.osmesa gcc -g -DUNIX -DUSE_OPENGL -DUSE_L3_PARSER -DUSE_BMP8 -DNEED_MIN_MAX -DUSE_PNG -DTILE_RENDER_OPTION -DOSMESA_OPTION -IMesa-5.0.1/include -c -o dirscan.o dirscan.c dirscan.c: In function (...) (21 years ago, 17-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello! Some time ago I talked of creating an open source project for LDraw Design Pad , short LDDP. I created a project on sourceforge.net and uploaded the last release to the file system. (URL) know of some people they would be interested to bring (...) (21 years ago, 17-May-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If it's the current version of Mesa (5.0.1), and it's been configured with the correct ./configure switches, then no, I don't see why using a symlink would cause any problems. Anyhow, I just patched things up to work with the latest sources. (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I had done that (I thought). And now I have done it again. Same result. I suppose I should admit that I cheated a little bit, and just used a symlink to the directory containing Mesa (to keep my directory structure clean). But is there any (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Building LDGLite for off-screen rendering only (Was: Parts Tracker Status)
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(...) Or more likely, (since I just got the same result myself) is that I created the stubs and the new makefile for the stock 0.9.5 sources instead of the latest CVS sources since that's what I had lying around. Apparently I need a few more stubs (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Building LDGLite for off-screen rendering only (Was: Parts Tracker Status)
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(...) I only glanced at the list of errors, but maybe this is the problem. If you already built ldglite then you have to start over from scratch with the new makefile. Unfortunately my makefile skills are not the best. There's no "make clean". So (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) [...] (...) I should probably have written that it is on a Red Hat (mostly) 7.3 system with some kind of x86 processor. Play well, Jacob -- City X'ers mail van (building instructions): (URL) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Building LDGLite for off-screen rendering only (Was: Parts Tracker Status)
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad.dev ] (...) So far it works fine, but ... (...) This fails. Here's the end of the output from the build: ---...--- gcc -g -DUNIX -DUSE_OPENGL -DUSE_L3_PARSER -DUSE_BMP8 -DNEED_MIN_MAX -DUSE_PNG -DTILE_RENDER_OPTION -DOSMESA_OPTION (...) (21 years ago, 16-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Yeah! I can't say right now that I would use it, but I have wanted the ability every now and then. And I am always for any software that will run on Macintosh, even if it is through a webpage (which is what you describe sounds like). James (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I was think of creating a webpage with a script based on my LDDP plugin to create the code for flexible objects. This would allow those who, for whatever reason, cannot use LDDP to create bendible objects. Is there any interest in this? -Orion (21 years ago, 11-May-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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(...) Yep, it's a bug. Thanks for the report. I'm going to have to think for a while on how to fix it. If you make sure that 30191.dat shows up in your model before 30190.dat, the problem will go away. It's caused because LDView doesn't smooth (...) (21 years ago, 11-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Have a look at the attched file in LDView. Part 32190 smoothes correctly, part 30191 does not. Part 30190 is only a mirror image reference to part 30191 and both are in the PARTS directory. Is this a problem? -Orion 0 Panel Test 0 Name: (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Dan (21 years ago, 6-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) And for lots of random tips tricks and forums, there's (URL) (21 years ago, 6-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Here is an idea! Anyone used Rover before? (URL) idea is you have "block-sets" that you customize using XML to create worlds. The concept could be adapted for sets, very easily. IMO: I think it is a little redundant to have the same 2Lx2Wx1H block (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) in addition to activestate's site, you can look at perldoc.com for all the man pages (which should have been installed with perl anyway), and also at search.cpan.org for modules. Dan (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Sorry for the off topic post but there are a lot of developers here that might be able to help me. I learn code best by looking at a file and looking up all the stuff I don't understand in a help file or documentation. I taught myself VB and Delphi (...) (21 years ago, 5-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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(...) On the Building Instruction tab, uncheck the construction images checkbox. Now pull down the Generate->Instruction Images. It will only produce PLIs and BOMS. Kevin (...) <snip> (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available - Comma's and Dots
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(...) I use the Dutch version of Win98 SE, too. Having this 'local settings' problem with more tools (including my primitive generation Excel sheet) I changed the local settings on my pc to '.' as decimal seperator and ',' as thousand seperator. (...) (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available - Comma's and Dots
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Once again: thanks. This is getting better all the time. Now to get a hang of creating callouts... Another thing, I think I posted this before or replied directly to Kevin: Having a Dutch operating system, Win98 SE, the decimal dots change to (...) (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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Hi Cary, I'm sorry to say that, but my app, being based on Java3D requires 3d hardware support for rendering. That means that it runs well on GeForce and Radeon graphic cards series, but not so well on software renderizers. Regarding the first run, (...) (21 years ago, 2-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Ldraw.Org Spec 1.0.0 Page
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(...) I know I didn't recall LDraw II until a couple months ago when you brought it up to me. My guess is at least the newer members in the community aren't too familiar with it either. Would you mind posting a link for everyone? Maybe I can throw (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw.org Standards Committee (LSC) Draft Proposal
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(...) It's in the 0.99 draft, which realistically could be finalized at any time. www.zacktron.com/tem...SC099.html -Tim (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure about the 'into one document' part, but I'll agree with the rest. More basically, we've got a number of different 'flavors' of the LDraw language floating around. I think it would be most useful to have one or more documents that (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw.org Standards Committee (LSC) Draft Proposal
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Wayne Gramlich wrote: [snip] (...) I think this sounds like an effective check on 'committees gone wild'. I would definitely support implementation of this process. Steve (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Timeframe for Next Parts Update (was Re: LDraw.org Standards Committee (LSC) Draft Proposal)
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(...) It would be better to say they are approximately every two months. I'll start working on 2003-02 sometime after I've got the PT back online, and I've got some time for it. I think it's going to be two weeks before I can get to it. Steve (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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(...) ... Hi Florin: Somehow I missed the Java 3D part of the installation. There are two choices, DirectX and OpenGL. The DirectX couldn't find a suitable driver on my system, so I installed the OpenGL (presumably software-only) solution. I got (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Ldraw.Org Spec 1.0.0 Page
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(...) Alright here's the deal. The ultimate aim of the LSC is to compile and consolidate all of the LDraw related file format definitions into one document (1.0.0) and then, once the initial work is done, solicit ideas to further extend or modify (...) (21 years ago, 1-May-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub open source?
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(...) Trust me, there's always going to be something else you should do before releasing the source. My personal favorite excuse that the code "just needs to be cleaned up a bit first". Since that's not as much fun as adding cool new features, it's (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Ldraw.Org Spec 1.0.0 Page
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(...) Hi Orion - Thanks for getting this up. I have a couple observations/questions... You incorporate the original LDraw spec in here (which should be included), but will we draw a distinction between original language LDraw/LEdit will recognize (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) the (...) Yes. I use borland's Visual Component Library. This gives me all mu GUI, as well as the behind the scenes image manipulations. (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes. I know and agree. As I've said before LPub *will* be opened sourced. I promise. It is a question of when. I'd like to get it to a certain level (the page layout and compact PLIs is probably it (maybe language neutral add-on interface for (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Are you using anything that is Borland specific (besides project setup)? All I have is MSDEV. Ron (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, I don't have borland C++ and I'm not sure if you'd consider it helpful, but if you were to open the source there are some things I suspect I would do. I'd probably try to build as much as possible with gcc. Then I might try to replicate (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub open source?
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(...) Who, me, vocal? Naah. ;-) I hope you find people to help with the project, as you know, I'm not a programmer. Of course, I'm willing to help test! -Tim (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Tim? (...) the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LD4DModeler 1.0 Available
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I've put up the newest version of LD4DModeler, it's the release of 1.0 (finaly). You can find it on (URL) in the 'download' section. Note the new url, It's only a redirector at the moment but I appriciate it if people use this url to link to (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev) !
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If I were to open source LPub on sourceforce, is there anyone out there with borland C++ builder 5.0 that would be willing to help me? I don't want to bother if no one will help. Lots of people want things, but often the most vocal don't have the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | EPS output from LDGLite (Was: LDraw -> EPS)
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(...) Yes. But I need to overcome my strong dislike for C code every time I open a C file to do anything with it. (...) Yes. Take a look at my LEGO purist's fighter> for an example: (URL)and the elimination of occluded polygons. Yes. The above file (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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My point was that EPS is not as generally useful as say, a page layout mechanism. The step layout controls that I just released are very cool, but when you try to do something like this: (URL) multiple steps packed together, the current mechanism (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LDraw -> EPS (Was: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available)
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(...) You really should. I don't have as much free time these days so it's been a bit neglected by me. (...) Most of the code is in gleps.c. That's the part that needs work. Otherwise you can search for the variable EPS_OUTPUT_FIGURED_OUT in main.c. (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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(...) I know `pnmtops` very well (there's a bug in one of Red Hat's versions of it), but once you have rasterised a vector image, there is really no way to get back to the quality of the vector image again. Using `pnmtops` you will either get much (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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"Jacob Sparre Andersen" <sparre@nbi.dk> wrote in message (...) How about this? pnmtops(1) pnmtops(1) NAME pnmtops - convert portable anymap to PostScript SYNOPSIS pnmtops [-scale s] [-turn|-noturn] [-rle|-runlength] [-dpi n] [-width n] [-height n] (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LDraw -> EPS (Was: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available)
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(...) No it isn't. Bitmaps with Z buffering are much easier. (...) It sounds like I should spend more time looking at the source code for LDGLite. (...) I'm really too busy to do any work on it now, but I wouldn't mind knowing where to look, if I (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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(...) Yeah, but I don't think it's trivial to convert from 3D LDR format to EPS. That's the problem. There are plenty of ways to Convert from a 3D format to a 2D representation suitable for printing, but most of them involve rasterization at some (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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(...) But aren't we all interested in being able to make nice compact printable versions of our building instructions? IMO EPS and PDF are ideal formats for that. And since it is reasonably trivial to convert EPS to PDF, it makes sense to make the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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Hello Cary, The test on Sun's pages only tells you that the java vm is installed, not that the "applets" in the browser are handled by the java plugin. In IE you can specify a java applet in 2 ways: you can use the <object (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Ldraw.Org Spec 1.0.0 Page
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Since I'm tired of people saying 'I don't like this format' or 'Could please post in this other format' or 'I hate MS so can you make it plain text', etc... I made a Lugnet page for the file format. (URL) it over. Note your suggestions. I'm still (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) format -- the ultimate in text file elegance -- replaced as the de-facto standard for exchanging models online, but an XML-based approach might actually be able to handle a functional superset of .ldr, .mpd, .dat, and .lxf files. If we (the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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(...) Cool. Now if I could just get Netscape7/Mozilla to use the JDK I installed (which has J3D) instead of the one that came with it. Grrrr.... -Kyle (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I take all this back. I just went back to your website and everything works. Strange. -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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(...) No, it's just I misspelled my address. Try bill with 2 l's -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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Hmm Your Yahoo accoutn doesn't like you. :P (...) Even when you download them? The getting *any* applet to work these days, with all the different Plugins, and JDK's, and browsers can be a real pain. You may have JDK 1.4.1 and Java3D 1.3 may be (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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(...) I have J2RE 1.4.1 and Java3D 1.3 installed and I can't seem to run the program or the applets on your site -Orion (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Would you be able to add a BOM generator? The current version allows for a BOM, but only after rendering all of the steps. When I am in a hurry, I like to print a graphical BOM, grab the pieces I need and build the model later when I have more time. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) I know I know... just razzin ya >;-) I love the stuff you've come out with so far. It's nothing short of revolutionary for the LDraw community. Please, keep it up! -Tim (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) ... I couldn't get it to work either. I installed Sun's Java, and if I visit that site, it says "Congratulations, it's installed". But if I run the Java compatibility test, IE 6.1 draws the gray square, and says "Applet failed to load", Opera (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Tim, I'm not going to put your individual need ahead of features that are useful to all. So quit bugging me about EPS or I may *never* do it ;^) It is no where near the tops of my list. (...) Thanks! (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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(...) I'm really looking forward to this :-) I regret that I haven't had the time recently to play with the new LPub. I should download it on my spare machine and play there. I can't wait to see the new features you have in store! (ahem, EPS output, (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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Sorry, it's my fault. I'll try to explain thinks better and change the page. What I can tell you right now is that you don't have the required java vm plugin installed in your browser - probably MS IE. Microsoft ships MSIE with his own (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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(...) Interesting idea but you may want to provide a little more assistance to people on getting it running, like giving links to the prereqs for major platforms if you know what they are. I pressed the compatability test and got a grey area and no (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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(...) I meant this example: (URL) Kevin (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | LPub 2.2.0.0 Available
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In the previous version of LPub I released some prototype new features for creating "callout" images, which are images of small assembly contruction, all tiled together into a single image, like this: (URL) this (URL) above callout image generation (...) (21 years ago, 29-Apr-03, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.inst)
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| | JDraw3D, another Viewer/Editor for ldraw files
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Hello All, It's my first time posting here, but I just didn't know how to show to the public my program, a 3d viewer / editor for LDraw files. Please let me know what you think about it. It is written entirely in java, so it should be ready to run (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) (URL) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) could you post the link to it? I think it'd be a good thing to allow people to read it. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: the LCD guys strike again :-)
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(...) Whoops, I mean "Computing." That's what I get for not double checking. -Tim XFUT -> cad.dev (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) I've marked up all I can see that needs to be tweaked up to this point. If anyone wants to have a look at what I have, please email me or post here, and I'll mail it to you. I don't want to post yet another revision, just to revise it again, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) I agree. That's what I meant when I said the LSC is the first step twards an official LDraw.org body. The 4+1 are not really LDraw.org - they act in what they believe is it's best interest, but so do quite a few other people, who are just as (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) currently, since there is no formal organization (and we're starting to push for one, woo!), there really isn't an authority issue. There's only the ability. If Steve decides he's turning off the parts tracker, he can. If you (Tim) decide to (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Elections and Membership in ldraw.org
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With 0.7 of the LSC proposal getting generally good reviews so far, it's likely that we're close to a final draft on the LSC proposal and it's time to start thinking about the things needed to make it happen. Since 0.7 replaces a temporary appointed (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw) !
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(...) The thing is, right now they are LDraw.org. Do you prefer that we just refer to LDraw.org, without the names? I think it is important that LSC is under the LDraw.org umbrella. I invite you to start a new topic on moving from ad-hoc LDraw.org (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LD4DModeler status
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LD4DModeler is awesome! Keep up the good work. -Mike (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) Agreed. (...) Yep. (...) Right. So are you trying to say something like; the individuals involved with the specific tasks are responsible/have the authority to make decisions regarding each technical task? That makes sense to me for the most (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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(...) absolutely! (...) I like this proposal a lot better, with one exception: (...) organization for LDraw, and then step down. Administrating the website, Parts Tracker and server are all separate technical functions, and do not fall under the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | LSC Draft Proposal Version 0.7
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Everyone - This has been a very good discussion on the LSC proposal so far. I have drafted a new version, 0.7, which attempts to clear up the confusion and ambiguity, and also adds in many peoples' suggestions. I've changed the references regarding (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Every time I've seen Qualification 2, I've thought it needed clarification. How about: "Served as a reviewer on the Parts Tracker and posted at least 5 reviews for each of at least 2 official updates." After all, just because someone only (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Part updates are currently every two months. 0303 (due to come out in about a week, I think?) will probably be a small update, since the Tracker hasn't been up for weeks. . . -- TWS Garrison (URL) capital letters in address for direct reply. (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree that we have to avoid that risk you refer to, and I would suggest that be part of the LSC charter. As for the steering committee, I'm not sure the post from 2 years ago is really valid anymore, and would suggest the community start (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 04:27:28AM +0000, Wayne Gramlich wrote: [snip very good points] (...) Wayne, this is a great idea, and I would support this kind of process. Dan (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) it was semi-automatic - I used vimdiff to find all the differences, and marked them up manually. Didn't take long. But since it is manual, it's theoretically possible that I missed some - I promise, nothing was left out intentionally. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I guess I'm worried about the LSC defining a standard that has no meaning. Without the community accepting the standard, what's the point in having it defined? I do agree with later posts, especially wayne's - the vote is likely to become a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) This is more what I was considering... a way for those who may or may not have been authoring Lego Parts to get a chance to be on the standards body. After all, its possible, but unlikely that another use for the program could overshadow the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yep, I agree 100%. Tomorrow I'm going to work on an 0.7 draft version of the proposal, taking in the useful comments made by all. It should tighten it up considerably from 0.6, eliminate the confusion, and add stuff like Wayne's recommendation (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm completely opposed to removing the voting power for the LSC. If the LSC can't set any standards why have it the first place. As the old saying goes, too many cooks spoil the broth. -Orion (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) How about this: Requirements for LSC Membership To ensure only competent, dedicated, and active contributors become members of the LSC, they shall have met one or more of the following requirements: - Authored an LDraw part subsequently (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) All: While a ratification vote is fairly common for technical committee proposals, I don't think I've ever heard of a ratification vote that did not sustain a technical committee's recommendation. If a technical committee is doing the wrong (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) All: I'm little behind the curve on this overall discussion, but I think I can speak to this issue. I think the proposed rules for LSC inclusion are quite reasonable. My reading of the rules is that I do not qualify for LSC membership (and I (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> wrote in message news:20030423205226....ron.com... (...) retaining (...) I have been watching this thread from the sidelines. While I use a number of the tools (notably ML-CAD, L3P, L3PAO, LDAO, and LPub) I would not (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That sounds good to me. If someone can further think this through, I can include it in a re-draft of the proposal sometime in the future. -Tim (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Not to overcomplexify but perhaps two nomination paths? One path if you are qualified under the criteria given already, and another, petition based, in which some number of qualified people vouched for you as a viable candidate? (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) what the differences are, which is a good thing. How did you generate it? (I know your aversion to MS and suspect you didn't use MS Word for the generation :) ) Hopefully some automatic way so we can be sure all the differences are (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I believe this proposal should make reference to the current steering committee, the only legitimate steering committee thus far. If it does not, there is a risk that the LSC could be misconstrued as _the_ governing body for all LDraw.org (...) (21 years ago, 24-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev) !!
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(...) Thanks for the marked up version. It makes it clear that you want the community to have the deciding vote, not the LSC. May I ask why? Kevin (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Right. (...) I'm not sure here. If we make those requirements guidelines, it further weakens the LSC. BUT, as duly noted, we have two cases who could qualify, Dwayne and Wayne. I wouldn't want them excluded from the possibility of being LSC (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Putting on my legal hat: Notice that the draft proposal refers to "the LDraw Community", not the LEGO community. LDraw stands for LEGO Draw, which is the only time the word LEGO is used in the entire draft, so I'm not sure where you think that (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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If I might ask a question... I see that this whole project is geared specificly toward Lego uses of the program. From my understanding, it will not be restricted to just Lego uses. Clone brands, as well as other things (there is a couple of block (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) here's a (manually) marked up version: (URL) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I think it had many good ideas in it, indeed! (...) While I agree in general, I think the leadership of LDraw.org should not be part of this proposal. The LSC can easily start it's work, while the community works out the whole official org (...) (21 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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