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Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")
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Date: 
Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:47:48 GMT
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Jennifer Clark wrote:

"Evolution is presented in our public school textbooks as a process that:

                     1. Brought time, space, and matter into existence from nothing. "

This is not the case. The theory most generally taught for this at school level
is the Big Bang theory, which has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of
evolution.

What??????????  Your big bang theory must not be the same as any other
big bang theory.  AS far as I know the big bang theory teaches EXACTLY
that time, space, and matter where brought into existence from nothing.



"2. Organized that matter into the galaxies, stars, and at least nine planets
around
                     the sun. (This process is often referred to as cosmic
evolution.) "

Wrong. I'm a better cosmeticist than cosmologist, but even I know that gravity
and other fundamental forces (chemical, nuclear, subatomic) are generally taught
as being part of the process responsible for the above. Referring to this as
cosmic evolution is sophistry; the term evolution can be applied to any
changing, directed process - for example, "The Evolution of Lego as a Creative
Medium in the 20th Century".  Saying so does not mean that Lego Marketing
Strategies are taught in schools under the banner of Evolution.

Ahem....that's why the subject header specifies MACRO Evolution.  To set
the record straight, I fully believe and realise that MICRO evolution
happens every day.

"3. Created the life that exists on at least one of those planets from nonliving

                     matter (chemical evolution). "

Wrong. No-one claims evolution is responsible for creating life from non-life.
Evolution is cited as the process that happens once life is established.

Wrong.  Many people claim exactly that.

If what you say is true, then how did life become established in the
first place?


"5. Caused that first life form to spontaneously diversify into different forms
of
                     living things, such as the plants and animals on the earth
today (biological
                     evolution)."

Finally some sense, although I fear he uses the term "spontaneous" to play
things for laughs somewhat. When I think of large changes due to evolution, I'm
thinking in terms of aeons rather than the snap of fingers.

Of course he uses it for laughs.  His point (at least in some sense from
what I gather) is that (FOR THIS PARTICULAR POINT) it doesn't matter
whether you think it happened at the snap of the fingers or ove massive
amounts of time.  Large quantities of time is Evolution's way of
explaining why we can't observe life forms diversifying into different
forms and why there is no historical record of it.

So, one point out of his five actually pertains to evolution - and you don't get
any cash for proving that one right.

Read again what he is providing cash for:

If you are convinced that evolution is an indisputable fact, may I
suggest that you offer $250,000 for any empirical or historical evidence
against the general theory of evolution. This might include the
following:

                  1. The earth is not billions of years old (thus
destroying the
                  possibility of evolution having happened as it is
being taught).
                  2. No animal has ever been observed changing into any
                  fundamentally different kind of animal.
                  3. No one has ever observed life spontaneously arising
from
                  nonliving matter.
                  4. Matter cannot make itself out of nothing.

Dr. Kent Hovind does not claim that it is impossible to find evidence of
evolution, he brings to light the fact that BASED _ON THE EVIDENCE,
creation is much more likely.

--
-TiM
NB, CA
http://echofx.itgo.com
t_c_c@yahoo.com
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  Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")
 
Ok Tim, you are surely trolling me here, but I'll reply anyway, magnanimous individual that I am ;-) (...) It is correct to say that Big Bang theories do tend to mention that time, space and matter come from nothing (or more strictly speaking from a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")
 
(...) The only thing that is credible, other than perhaps my conclusion that you have got to be winding me up about all this, is that "Dr Dino" has been kissing the blarney stone in a big way. For example, on the "win a great deal of cash" section, (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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