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Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")
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Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:19:24 GMT
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I'm stepping out onto shaky ground here as I have to admit that I've
only been sparatically(sp?) following the whole
"Christianity/Darwinism/Evolution/Religion" debate except I have been
reading the "Macro Evolution" thread thoroughly- but I will now step in
to address this (as Jon did not immediately respond with the specifics
as you asked) and state my opinions and beliefs)
First of all I will state my beliefs:
I am a strong believer in Creationism - that is to say I believe in a
6000-10000 year old earth and creation of every living thing by God. I
believe that the theories on the origin of the earth, man, and other
living things that are being taught in our public school systems are
one-sided and very VERY often wrongfully presented as scientific truth -
not the twisted anti-Christian theories that I believe them to be (and I
have "studied" this topic to some extent - although I must say that I am
anything but a scientist)
Now, on to your request Dave:
You state that you wish for citations within the "legitimate scientific
community" - I'm fairly sure before proceding any further that you will
debate the following sources to at least some degree based on that
premise - but IMO, the following sources/people DO in fact fit this
criteria (sorry if one of these is the same as Jon mentioned):
(1) http://www.drdino.com
I have personally attended a 2-3 hour presentation by Dr. Kent Hovind as
well as viewed several of his seminar videos. Before questioning his
credability I urge you to see
http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/DrHovind.jsp ........Although his Online
Seminar is new since the last time I visited his web page I would be
willing to state that if you want to know what I believe you can read
through the information available here and I will agree with most if not
all of it. (Note: there is A LOT OF IT) --- if you'd like more info you
can order his resources from the web page too.
(2) http://www.answersingenesis.org
I have also heard Ken Ham
(http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/ham.asp) speak in
person (although this was probably at least 10 years ago - which would
make me 9 yrs old :) - and have viewed many of the videos and
information put out by this organization.
---These are the two main ones that I am most familiar with (you did ask
for ONE specific example) - although there ARE in fact many more.
(3) FOR EXAMPLE - just to list some more CREDIBLE scientists - I ask you
to visit http://www.icr.org (specifically,
http://www.icr.org/creationscientists.html
Dave Schuler wrote:
> Jon:
> You've repeatedly mentioned leading scientists and overwhelming numbers to
> defend your case against evolution without giving actual names or numbers.
> For the umpteenth time, can you provide any actual names or numbers, other
> than those gleaned from that single misleading web-article you cited? Can
> you, for instance, point to any studies within the legitimate scientific
> community (by which I mean people who pursue science as a means of
> understanding, as opposed to proponents of Creation Science, which is a
> misnomer) or any non-virtual articles using science to discredit evolution
> (the process, not the theory).
> Further, Bruce hasn't "bought into" the theory; he has given the matter,
> judging from his posts and from correspondence, appropriate critical thought
> and formed his conclusions. This is not, I should add, the "final"
> conclusion impervious to future modification. Rather, it is logically the
> best conclusion based on the staggeringly overwhelming evidence in support
> of evolution.
> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give one or, preferably, a few citations other than
> The Bible or your single Web-Article to support your claim.
>
> Dave!
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| (...) Jon: You've repeatedly mentioned leading scientists and overwhelming numbers to defend your case against evolution without giving actual names or numbers. For the umpteenth time, can you provide any actual names or numbers, other than those (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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