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Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jennifer Clark writes:
> > Jon Kozan wrote:
> >
> > > Are the facts and conclusions credible?
> >
> > The only thing that is credible, other than perhaps my conclusion that you
> > have got to be winding me up about all this, is that "Dr Dino" has been
> > kissing the blarney stone in a big way. For example, on the "win a great
> > deal of cash" section, he says:
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> > "Evolution is presented in our public school textbooks as a process that:
> >
> > 1. Brought time, space, and matter into existence from nothing. "
> >
> > This is not the case. The theory most generally taught for this at school level is the Big Bang theory, which has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of
> > evolution.
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> In your experience, perhaps, but then we're all limited by our own personal
> experiences. Evolution and the theory of origins, and the Big Bang are all
> inexorably intertwined. You can certianly deny that, but they are cause and
> effect for each other. Separating them out in a school-kids mind is nigh
> impossible. Do your kids prove otherwise?
Well, I don't have kids of a relevant age, but I can certainly state
definitively that they were clearly seperate and not intertwined when I
learned about them in school - In fact, when I took that kind of stuff, the
Big Bang Theory was only presented as one theory among many, and evolution
(and the theory thereof) was in an entirely different course. (One was
physics, one was biology).
Evolution is not an effect - it does not require a cause (big bang or
otherwise). The theory of evolution is entirely independent, and it's
validity (or lack thereof) is independent of how the universe got here.
James
JAems
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