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Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!"
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
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> > > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give one or, preferably, a few citations other than
> > > The Bible or your single Web-Article to support your claim.
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> > First - I've never said "leading" scientists, since that is always open to
> > debate.
> > I understand your thoughts/feelings on this - however, with this thread I'm
> > trying to establish what it is that I should be addressing regarding evolution
> > - macro evolution, and in specific the fossil record.
>
> Okay, but you haven't named names in any thread in which you've
> participated. My objection isn't simply to your line of reasoning (which is
> a substantial objection, I grant you) but rather to your willful choice not
> to support your claims beyond saying "that's impossible so there."
> If I'm incorrect, and you have in fact cited references, can you at least
> tell me in which thread this occurred, or what name you cited?
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> > Please try to stay on the thread, and I will address the specifics as we come
> > to them.
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> There are so many threads here, and all of them intertwined, that it makes
> little sense to require a participant to tailor remarks only to a single
> branch. Further, I've asked you in many threads to give references, and in
> every thread you refuse, or at least fail, to provide those references.
Back up to the beginning and note Larry's comments - I've responded and I
think that's where we can start. Meanwhile you might read Tim's post...
I wanted to establish a basis for the discussion before presenting evidence -
that way I can keep on subject better.
-Jon
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| (...) Okay, but you haven't named names in any thread in which you've participated. My objection isn't simply to your line of reasoning (which is a substantial objection, I grant you) but rather to your willful choice not to support your claims (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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