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First off all replys to this have been set to off-topic.debate (...) Mr. Jezek, I happen to think your steriotyping of the American culture is appalling. First, have you ever been to the U.S. and second have you ever lived in the U.S. If not you (...) (25 years ago, 30-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you also see 12 Heads In A Duffle Bag the same night? No wait, that's 8 heads, nevermind. ;) I saw that this movie was coming on TV the other night but missed it. Ben Roller (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snipped intro stuff> (...) I've found that content in dreams doesn't necessarily correlate with feeling. I've seen some "very bad" stuff, and have been unaffected by it, and I also once had a dream about smurfs that scared me senseless; I remember (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Flippantly: Who cares? More seriously, any number of things. Mad Hatter may have decided the novelty wore off and went on to torment some other group. He or she may be posting under another pseudonym on RTL but is behaving more maturely. It (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Masi wrote in message <389280F9.9614A862@c...ne.edu>... (...) An arrangement of bricks would in most cases not be copyrightable. A design patent would be what would protect it. However, if your creation reaches the point of being a (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) it (...) steam (...) process. (...) Whatever happened to Mad Hatter? (...) or (...) offensive (...) (!), (...) So, we are in the right group now? I agree that people ought to be decent on Lugnet and RTL. I (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As clearly stated above, I don't know. If someone were hell-bent on murder, I suppose they should be put down and parted out to pay for the whole affair - or their assets given to the kin of the victims. I suppose there should be some method (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To set the record straight, since it seems to be a sticking point, this was said in response to Richard, not to me. Trimming the thread the way I did might leave readers with the impression that Bruce admitted I was right about something, (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you. (25 years ago, 28-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Adam, (...) Hmm... I know I do that from time to time as well, such as why did I just spend 300.00 on LEGO? :) I can tell it would affect some people though. (...) Well, I know I am usually on one side or the other (Usually on the right ;) ), and (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The preceeding line did not appear in Larry's original message, and the way it appears it seems to be written by him. This is not the case. I'm not quite sure how it got there, but I have double-checked, and he did not say it. I wish to (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This movie *really* affected me; such that I would go so far as to say I was not stable after seeing it. Had I known what I was in for, I would have not chosen to go. Shortsightedness and a complete lack of common sense at the time enabled my (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did. It was right there. I admitted it. *You quoted me*. All you were trying to do is get in a cheap shot. (...) You asked me about where I thought you were wiggling. I answered. Note that you accused me FIRST. Sorry you didn't like the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yes, I cut some stuff away, but my point stands. You need to be able to admit you're wrong when you are, and you need to admit that a point is proven when it is. I have no issues with my own record on that score, my honesty and integrity are pretty (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, you cut the attrib to Richard, so you make it look like I was saying that to you (wiggle). Further, you cut the part that prompted my response (wiggle). The part was more critical of the person I was responding to (wiggle). That person (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Me again. Back, but very busy at work suddenly (several co-workers left, for various reasons, while I was gone. so I have to do twice as much....). (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please elaborate. We each seem to have a perception that the other is wiggling. Why is that? (...) Not exactly. I'd state it as, responsible for some bad occurance on my property that was an accident, not as, responsible for the immigrant (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed! (...) Fence suggests a dichotomy, besides which, birthing atop a fence could be dangerous! I am curious as to why you think we are born 'good'. Not arguing, just curious - my reasoning would initially follow the evolutionary model, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you just need to get a little better at saying "you are right" than you currently are, that's all. There's no need for you to hate yourself about it. (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) is (...) Well, the owbers or stockholders are responsible also, though in many cases a stockholder's responsibility is less since he isn't directly running the company they way the CEO is. (...) refuses (...) (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I should hate myself when I am right??? Whatever. Bruce (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When you put it that way it gives me the giggles too :) (...) Me too, and one day I might actually be right, and then where will we be? (1) Richard 1 - Fear. (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree there's a cost to someone. I just don't see it as a cost to "society". Some one entity or group of entities is going to be, bad luck for them, stuck with it. If this is what the entire anti immigration argument boils down to, I (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) corporate (...) Well, you may ultimately have to jail more that the CEO. I wish I could remember more. I seem to remember a recent case where a company officer was jailed because the company wouldn't do what (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) inherently (...) believe (...) social (...) One problem is that those who believe in the inherent goodness of people sometimes shortcut things. What we really believe is that everyone has the inherent (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, actually. Try "Either the CEO is personally liable for everything or the company is." I have no problems with the concept of a group of people being responsible, as a group, for what they do. (...) And I would say that if you are dealing (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message <389057B0.D972D535@e...se.net>... (...) Two comments. First, what do you propose to do with the (few) people who absolutely refuse to follow the rules of the society they participate in? At some point, putting (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) or (...) Toppling stiff? I don't know why, but that phrase gives me the giggles. I love it. "Dear, there's another toppling stiff out by the jacaranda. Do you think you could pop out and clean things up a bit before the Burgess's arrive? (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. That makes a *HUGE* difference from the arguements I was seeing earlier. The arguements I was seeing to date lead me to believe you (collective) were arguing "punish the CEO, then the company" <snipppage> (...) Ok. Going from that basis (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe in the example of the toppling stiff, the responsibility is an assumed or implied responsibility that comes with owning land or property? As opposed to a direct responsibility such as that of your children etc. (...) Bruce, I know that (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take it you don't read your own messages. You have outwiggled me the whole way. (...) For someone who doesn't understand, you summed it up pretty accurately. You basically said if their is no public assistance then there can be no objection (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. And children and underlings are examples of extra responsibilities freely taken on. Chris (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Except that the fines from the first time would be sufficient incentive. And would also be sufficient incentive to prevent all the other companies in that industry from following their example. Perhaps I'm not following you. (...) I don't (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, I was talking about once we were at the fully implemented system. Transition is always a problem, but those problems are not enough of a reason to look at a better system and opt not to strive for it. If we adopted a gradual aproach to the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) This is another either-or trap. I don't believe that people are inherently good, neither do I believe that people are inherently bad. Rather, I believe that peoples actions and thoughts are moulded by the environmental and social structures (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you're doing fine. We seem to be getting forced into an invalid either-or trap. Your opposition is taking the "Either the CEO is personally liable for everything or no one is" tack, it seems to me. And that's just not so. Companies (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<388F7A61.E86A728A@voyager.net> <Foyv25.HE6@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just completely lost, Bruce, as to what point you're trying to make and what assumptions you've made in making (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) find (...) the (...) can (...) and (...) but (...) employee's (...) if (...) The liability need only be assigned to the CEO if he is unable to make a satisfactory assignment. Also, in this case, I think all we (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38ad8949.518186155@...et.com>... (...) Actually, the short answer is that international treaty sets a ridiculously low limit for baggage loss/damage on international flights. On domestic flights, the limits are (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jasper Janssen wrote in message <38ac87e0.517825005@...et.com>... (...) Because you can't put a company in jail if it refuses to pay the judgement. This is why a PERSON MUST have ultimate responsibility. If they don't, the corporation can just (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) centralized (...) Why in the world are you running on about it? I don't understand. It was just the shortest-to-explain-example that the guy was walking on some public area. Mountain out of a molehill. (...) Mountain. Molehill. (...) I can't (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Short answer: You want to fly, don't you? Long answer: insurance premiums, high, plane tickets at 10-100 times current cost. Jasper (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No he didn't. Not while the laws are not in place yet, certainly. And what makes you think there will still be people willing to take that responsibility should you pass this? This way leads to either huge CEO salaries, to cope with insurance (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I said it wasn't intended to be taken seriously. I was refering to my example only. But after thinking about it, I decided it may have legitimate repurcussions. My point really is that there can be a cost to a society by having an open (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: (case study #1) (...) Corporation, yes. CEO? This is obviously where we are disagreeing. How can liability be assigned essentially at random to an individual? Why the CEO and not some other company (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<Foyq1t.BEt@lugnet.com> <FoysHv.tu@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Mostly, I just can't FOLLOW it. (...) Yes. Toll walkways may well exist. And, property owners may choose to provide free (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<388F65A5.9AD75FB2@voyager.net> <Foyr5w.Fo2@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You yourself said it was an example intended to amuse at the start of the sub thread... I'm just playing along. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, no way! I left the country! It's on YOUR property. :-) Further, for the example, it is important that it happens on your property. Now if you can ever prove that your neighbor (...) Already addressed: You can't prove it. And it happened (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Any CEO that keeps that much distance between himself and the company he's running won't be running it for long, and I wonder how he got there in the first place. If bad things happen while he's using his unique "hands off" approach to (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <FoynLG.JGJ@lugnet.com> (...) You seem to be taking this as a personal insult, Larry. What's with this perjorative labeling? If it's flippant, it isn't really worthy of response. If it isn't, then aren't you just taking a cheap shot? I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce Schlickbernd wrote in message ... (...) funds (...) perhaps (...) border. (...) Well, you are responsible. Now if you can ever prove that your neighbor dragged the body onto your property, you might be able to sue him for damages. He's also (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) the (...) after (...) would (...) I didn't say "is responsible", I said "is probably responsible." In this case, perhaps not, however, anyone having the opportunity to observe that someone is drunk does carry (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They were on the toll walkway (no public sidewalks) and fell there as they died. Smugglers aren't involved because they weren't restricted at the border. Actually, they died on your neighbor's property, but he dragged the corpses over to yours (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) that (...) all (...) should (...) an (...) ships (...) chemical X (...) or (...) inspects (...) investigation) (...) that (...) within (...) at (...) This (...) and (...) permanent (...) dump (...) would (...) (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<Fowt5K.s1@lugnet.com> <388E2BFD.FB5B993@voyager.net> <FoynLG.JGJ@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Fair enough, why not me, I'm as good an example as any, and better than most. Posit for (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<this is in follow up to another conversation, but is being re-threaded for clarity. (URL) > OK, here are three case studies. In each of these studies, I don't feel that any individuals should be held liable. I have gotten the impression that, all (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FoyED8.8A8@lugnet.com> <FoyJxA.Kqw@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) You raise a good point, one which is often raised, and one to which considerable thought has been given. The stock (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You tell me. It could equally be war, persecution, bad weather as crop failure. (...) As long as they were still physically capable of work, what does it matter? (...) You are confusing wanting to and actually getting work swiftly enough or (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't mention that aspect, I took it as a given. Sorry. (...) Yoiks! So if I go to my boss' house, tanked to the gills but very good at hiding it, he's responsible when I kill someone on the way home? Maybe I'm reading this completely (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It does in theory, but in reality the market isn't educated to the level this requires - everyone would have to research which toothpaste, which dye-companies contributed to which t-shirts, which rainforest their toothpicks came from etc etc. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard Franks wrote in message ... (...) and (...) The marketplace has the power (or would have the power under Libertopia). (...) I'm not sure if there's a need to directly fine the stockholders. If you whack the company hard enough, the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah.. so after the second time they spill nuclear goo in a kiddies playground(1), things will change? Unless they've got a new CEO who does exactly what the old one did? My point is that having to wait for a company to violate rights a second (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no problem backing this thesis. It is obviously correct. However, the way for them to gain that wisdom is to be allowed to experiment and learn. If, as an adult, a person doesn't profane because they have a conditioned (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<Fox8H5.9D4@lugnet.com> <FoxrLq.Cn8@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) That's basically what I was getting ready to say. (...) No, the courts have the power to try and fine/punish them. I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<388E2A0B.67DF7930@voyager.net> <Fowz19.44A@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (...) Because person X _took_ that responsibility freely. I agree that it wouldn't be fair the law just decided (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Soylent green is people. Dave! (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to clarify - I'm assuming that responsibility goes up the management tree in a serious case? Ie, the employee, his boss, his bosses boss.. the CEO. In a lot of cases, managers would claim that sub-managers hadn't informed them of a (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) are (...) Boiled (...) contrary, (...) in (...) direction - (...) First off, the CEO is only responsible for the activities of his employees which are reasonably related to their job. If one of your employees (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <388E2BFD.FB5B993@vo...er.net>... (...) Interesting, I guess either of two cases would apply: 1. They're trespassers. I guess the property owner is responsible for dealing with the bodies (though his community (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand the sentiment, but I don't understand the position. You(the collective you) appear to say that the officers of a company are liable for the actions of that company REGARDLESS of whether or not they are personally responsible, or (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right you are. But why were they starving where they were? Were they starving enroute? And why would they starve once they *got* to libertopia, if they wanted to work? (and, since there's no public assistance, why would they want to come to (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3885F82B.31DF@mindspring.com> <FoLIpw.MEu@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't a 100% fan of Truman but he did have one thing on his desk that pretty much summed it up for me... A sign (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, they can starve here just as well as anywhere else. But who buries them? That costs money and presents health problems if not done. Bruce (This wasn't meant seriously, but I suppose it does apply) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And if you give government assistance to those who are in need. Absent that, there is no good reason. (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<FoKHoG.F5A@lugnet.com> <3885D04A.C01401FD@eclipse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to the quiz analysis. Chris is right, to a certain extent it's a marketing tool. It's designed to produce (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you. I don't think that's the argument, though. I would expect that a defense of "we truly believed this was a good insulator, our research aligned with everyone elses" ought to carry some weight. Not get the company off scot (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3884AC5E.6720F61@voyager.net> <FoJsx8.7Dw@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Oh. Well, I'd say then that most governments today ARE evil. Further, many corporations of today are as well. (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3884AEDA.9C6DA48F@eclipse.net> <FoJMsz.K0p@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I'd say the answer is yes to both. You don't get to commit a crime, then just change jobs and use that as a (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'd say that for pro-wrestling to be an olympic sport, we'd need a bunch of different matches and the judging would be on the match as a whole (that is, all participants in the match would be judged together), with criteria such as: realism, safety, (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for pointing out that important distinction! Or is it? I didn't think that rigging implied that, I had always thought it was just a less polite way of saying predetermined. :-) Honest question, NOT flame bait. (...) Larry Pieniazek - (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ???!!! $1,000,000 of legal bets are placed on the NFL each week, and you're saying "so what, it's rigged"?? Last time I checked that was illegal. (...) But that's exactly my point! NO ONE will debate the point that the Bucs were flat out (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll buy that. My question was only a little serious, in any case! 8^) Dave! (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suspect it's not the scripting that is the problem, it's that in wrestling, somebody knows who is going to win and tells the athletes that information. In your examples, while probably much more heavily scripted than the average wrestling (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For that matter, why is pro-wrestling denied the status of "sport" on the grounds that it's scripted, while Figure Skating and Gymnastics, which use highly-coreographed routines, are applauded for the same thing?! Dave! (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, (...) Hmm... I don't know, Larry, I get crispy every now and then. :) Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The WWF (and wrestling in general) isn't rigged, it's predetermined. There's a difference. Rigged implies that it was done immorally or illegally. Wrestling matches are predetermined so that the storyline is followed, just like any other (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, ya, it's rigged. But so what? Look, even the WWF is rigged, but it is still true that: - being a WWF participant requires a great deal of skill. Falling HURTS if you don't do it right. - it's a gateway to even MORE rigged things. Name me (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My original point, which I think you have partially and inadvertently backed up, is that kids lack the maturity to use profanity wisely. Armed with the "F- bomb" as it is so tactfully put, a kid is just as likely to waltz up to the Queen and (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found it comforting that a local radio personality thought the same thing I did that something nefarious was/is going on-- I can't believe nobody is taking my troll bait! -John (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've read two of the books, and thought they were amusing, but the plot was identical in both books. The first book might have had some originality, but with seven planned, they're bound to get dull real fast. (IMO, of course) Please FUT (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HaH? You got a PROBLEM wid' dat? You got a freekin' PROBLEM? I noticed this as well, coming from MI (rather than MO) to NJ. I occasionally get looked at funny when I say "excuse me?" when they use profanity freely (but the elderly have (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To All, Thanks for the responses, I don't know why this perplexed me so much, now I have a better understanding of it. My fiancee got motion sickness from this film, and I just got frustrated. The website does seem to have a lot more information, (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait. The first part of your note sounded like it was about calm civility. How is it more civil to "insult, flame, or denigrate" someone just because the F-bomb isn't used? So is it about being decent to one another in this forum and trying to (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, I didn't mean it like that, I meant it like this: Where are we going from there? As a member (sort of) of the side (sort of) opposite (sort of) yours, I'm willing to accept that corporations have the power to hurt people inappropriately. (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The official web site had the interviews as they were filmed (not edited like in the movie), so if anyone needs a refresher, I'd go there. I'd have to agree that the fishermen were the worst actors in the movie. They weren't SUPPOSED to be (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think it's a big deal, but just in case.... SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! SPOILER!!!! (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes: <snip> (...) I think this is the heart of the "profanity in newsgroups" debate. I can fully understand profanity in the heat of the moment, in a spoken conversation. It is extremely easy to let a (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What was the slip up? I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and did not notice anything? (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) cost (...) ???????? (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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