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Re: Good/Bad/Neutral (Was: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
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Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:41:47 GMT
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Richard Franks wrote in message ...
:) This is another either-or trap. I don't believe that people are • inherently
good, neither do I believe that people are inherently bad. Rather, I • believe
that peoples actions and thoughts are moulded by the environmental and • social
structures that they find themselves in.


One problem is that those who believe in the inherent goodness of people
sometimes shortcut things. What we really believe is that everyone has the
inherent capacity to be good. You're right, environment and society will
mold people.

Eg. In Libertopia, most people may act in 'good' ways because the system is • set
up to encourage that behaviour - responsibility is rewarded, • irresponsibility
is punished.


That's part of the idea. If you don't pay a poor person more because they
have more kids, maybe they won't have more kids. If you hold corporations
and their officers responsible for the damage they do, probably they'll not
cause the damage in the first place. And if so, then you don't need all
sorts of laws controlling how they do things, which can just be weaseled
around.

Or are you proposing that you either are good or bad, and have I just • played
too much AD&D that I assert that we are born neutral?


While we may be born neutral (in that as we grow up, we can become either
good or bad), I think we are born on the good side of the fence. AD&D also
way oversimplifies things, and I think that is part of the problem. I think
a lot of people decide that on average people are bad, because obviously
they aren't perfectly good, so they must be bad. That's a bad trap to fall
into.

Frank



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  Re: Good/Bad/Neutral (Was: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
 
(...) Agreed! (...) Fence suggests a dichotomy, besides which, birthing atop a fence could be dangerous! I am curious as to why you think we are born 'good'. Not arguing, just curious - my reasoning would initially follow the evolutionary model, (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Good/Bad/Neutral (Was: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?])
 
(...) :) This is another either-or trap. I don't believe that people are inherently good, neither do I believe that people are inherently bad. Rather, I believe that peoples actions and thoughts are moulded by the environmental and social structures (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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