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(...) You've put up a good fight-- I don't expect Lego or others would believe that there's a majority negative opinion at this point, whereas had none of us spoken up, that might have been a possible interpretation. I don't think anyone (excluding (...) (20 years ago, 29-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ditto (...) Censorship does come into play when you say "LUGNET doesn't (yet) have threadlocking. But I personally (and this is not a statement of policy, I am not wearing my hat) wish we did. Because if we did, I'd lock this thread so fast it (...) (20 years ago, 28-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have no need to misinterpert anything. I can read what jake posted on these boards and words mean things. I read what Lego chose to publicly post. (...) They should have found a diffrent way to satisfy Maersk and keep their word to the (...) (20 years ago, 28-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snipped most of it to focus on one point (...) Note that saying that you think a discussion is over, does anyone have anything NEW to add, is not censorship. If no one adds anything new, asking that people not repeat the same points except LOUDER is (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the support. Unfortunatly while I could go back and point out the posts where I have been personally called a liar, my asking of a simple moral question has been labeled a detriment to the site and some how it it said to "impune" (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One more time from the top--if you want to misinterpret what happened, by all means. But, let's look at Ken's very example, which is completely inaccurate to the actual situation. (...) LEGO made no such promise and there was no going back on (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Ken, for being that patient in explaining your point (which is mine at the same time). A lie is a lie and a broken promise is a broken promise. And Lego is having no finacial success while Playmobil (in Europe) and Megabloks (in (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dear Ken, I propose a very simple solution. If you don't buy the new Maersk set because of your moral convictions that it is wrong then Jake's original statement, and any other TLC 'implications' becomes true. It will be your last chance to buy the (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SNIP (...) Jake Mckee posted on these very boards “Then it’s time for another new adventure! It measures 69cm long and is your last chance to buy Maersk bricks! AND:"This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with 10,000 coming to Shop At (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) SNIP (...) SNIP Exactly If I made a promiss not to buy anymore Lego for the month the latest sale would be a pretty poor excuse for breaking that promiss. -Ken (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First off I've said nothing about anyone personal. For some reason my asking a simple question hits home personaly with some. Not my fault though. Second I only stated a fact as I've experienced it. There are those on the company can do no (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You've crossed the line again, Ken. You need to remember that LUGNET is a privately-owned resource and not a pulpit for you to denigrate and demean people you disagree with. Larry, as a LUGNET staff member, has the right and responsibility to (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Snip I don't think this is part of a plot or deliberately cooked up. If it was only this problem there would be no problem. There's a patern of poor decisions, misreading the consumer (AFOL and not) and inability to see when a mistake has been (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly I am trying to draw him out so he can see the point. If someone did something like this to him on a more personal level he'd problably be outraged. (...) Funny that the only people I've met that want to put on their brown shirts and (...) (20 years ago, 27-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I would agree with that assessment wholeheartedly, John. That said, if you said, "I can only produce 200 of these printed shirts because I only have 200 shirts of this colour, and I don't have the opportunity to get more shirts of this (...) (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know what, at this point if I was head of marketting at TLC I would pull the new run from S@H and only supply them to Maersk. That'd make money for the company AND save their integrity (1). ROSCO (1) As percieved by a small number of AFOLs (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.lego, Scott Lyttle wrote: <snip> (...) I would only ever make as many shirts as a customer would want:-) (...) Well, at this point, I, as the producer for the group would be totally out of the loop. (...) I'm not sure a situation involving (...) (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wow Larry, you missed a perfect opportunity for a footnote! (...) And a sub-footnote opportunity missed no less! That's not like you at all! Wink. ROSCO (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) It may be a moral question, but more importantly it's a "have you stopped beating your wife?" question too. I tend not to go around claiming I'm a man of my word. Why would I need to? If I have to make a big deal about it, maybe I'm not. So (...) (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't impugn anything. I asked a simple question wich is quite relevant given that this is at it's essence a moral question.-Ken (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And by "Selective Interpretation" you mean anything short of the way you see it?-Ken (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, You're a business owner, we all know you do much of the shirts for the clubs and Brickfest. Let me pose a question. What if you made a "special edition" Lego-based T-shirt for some club or big event. Say the group wanting the shirts told (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@...e.DOT.com> wrote in message news:I96Ln0.1GsL@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) there (...) hardly (...) I too agree with Dave Schuler and Larry. I really applaud Dave Koudys for continuing to be (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The above is not just the DMAS (Dave Mutual Admiration Society) speaking, there are a lot of other people on LUGNET that feel the very same way, myself included. (...) I totally agree with this, well said, Dave! (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey now, there's no need for that. Dave K can speak for himself, but what the heck--I can speak for himself, too. Regardless of his national origins, I have always found Dave K to be honest and forthright. He is willing to admit when he is (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be a man of your word but you have 'selective interpretation' down to a science. If you want to debate the facts, I'm all for it. If you continue to ignore what actually happened, then we're done here. Take care, Dave K (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi Ka-On, <snipped> (...) Got me curious about this. It is really true what you are saying? Or are you talking about the average middle/high class? Isn't it true that overthere you have a lot of children labour? I saw a documentary in Discovery (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What makes you think that Lego would deign to expend the effort it would take to lie to a bunch of insignificant moqsuitoes like us? The contribution margin on the entire load of Maersk ships probably amounts to what we accountants call a rounding (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't need anything to be interpreted. Anyone who knows me knows I am a man of my word. How about you?-Ken (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Spin. Stop it. 'They' did no such thing as 'break a promise'. Fact--TLC had a limited quantity of Maersk Blue pellets and, with no contract with Maersk at the time, as stated, they were not going to get anymore Maersk Blue pellets to make more (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I fully understand what Lego said. I fully understand they broke that promiss. When I say I will do something you can trust me to do it. How about you? -Ken (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't care what happened as far as set numbers. What I do care about is that this was presented as a "Limited Edition of 10,000". They then proceded to break that promiss. What is your word worth?-Ken (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In fact, the run of this new set uses all the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that there is literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get Maersk blue. This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can we please stop with the spin on the situation? There were no lies At the time, no contract with Maersk to make future sets and LEGO had these pellets to get rid of. Come out with nifty set and use up pellets--limited 'cause, as stated by (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SNIP (...) SNIP (...) No confussion here. They said through Jake M., SHO, and press releases that it was LIMITED TO 10,000. I don't care about collectability. I bought two the first time one for myself and another for a nephew. I may get (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's a theory I buy into..., and until a "solution" is demonstrated, it's a safely self-satisfied theory. Conflict is human nature, and until the day we're all lobotomized, or extinct, it won't change. Keeps things interesting I s'pose. :] (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was in Jake Mckee's own words as well as press releases and marketing through SHO (...) SNIP I too however it strikes directly at fundemental honesty and respect for the consumer that Lego would do this. SNIP (...) Not really I'd welcome it (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I haven't financed a study however the financial news is rife with news on how Lego continues to loose money and market share while it's competitors continue to grow. Not even Lego argues this point. Every day I cross paths with kids who (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed. I have wondered why the same names keep popping up over and over with respect to TLC negativity. Almost feels a bit like a psy-ops campaign. Free speech is one thing. Excess indulgence is another. fut to .off-topic.debate ( shame we (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. More sweeping statements, with absolutely nothing to back it up. Again. (...) If you're aware of the ratio between LEGO soliciting opinions and acting on opinions, then you must have some data to back it up. Show it. Put up or shut up. My (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi John, I wasn't actually referring to you personally... more the continuous TLC-bashing I've seen from some people, and not just on this subject. Makes you wonder why some people bother frequenting LUGNET, or buying LEGO, at all, if they (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps there are different connotations of the term "limited"? "Limited" in that we will purposefully limit production to X number of units to create collector demand, and will never produce them again, thus protecting their collector's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm pretty sure that the 10152 wasn't either. This whole thing seems to turn on a mistranslation more than anything else. That's pretty funny at one level, actually. Most of the rest of the difference appears to be cultural, we seem to have a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm pretty sure the duck wasn't marketed as a "limited edition of 10,000". It really matters not what their excuss is if they changed their mind they could have changed the model. Their move was compleatly unethical and problably leaves them (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) around the Transition Team a few months back. Not sure what effect it had or how to "fix" some of the things (one of his theories is that some things are fundamentally unfixable)... (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.lego, Kelly McKiernan wrote: <snip> (...) I just want to make one thing clear. Merely because I have a gripe about a particular decision made by TLC, that doesn't mean I am throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. I love LEGO (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I promised myself I wouldn't continue fanning the flames here, but I couldn't resist one more... The gist of the complaints against TLC I'm hearing is they've made a business decision that "changed" from an earlier "promise" (neither of which (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) MAJOR SNIPAGE (...) The problem doesn't lie within the community it lies within the company. Proof of this is that they are dumbfounded as to why with all of their efforts they are still loosing money. I missed The whole Marsk debate but let's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For your amusement: (URL) #203 (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh come on now! What's wrong with a civilized, lively debate? That's what Lugnet is for, beside listening to wonderful news coming to us occasionally from THE MOUTH OF LEGO (imagine raving orcish minifig hordes in the background ...)* Agreed, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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As an outsider looking in, it appears to me that if the "Liberals" what power all they have to do is shout about god a bit and bash gays a little. It is that simple! ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope you guys (including Marc Sandlin) didn't think I thought i was copied on! As I said, my ship and Chris' are similar, but i don't think he even saw mine when he did his. I never meant to accuse Chris, let that be clear please! I was (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't speak to that question. It's not the argument I've made and I do not think that it's the argument that Peter (the New Republic editor) made either. I think rather he's making the argument to his own brethren that they are missing the (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Um, you do realize that the issue has ended. Please stop facilitating the discussion. I've been enlightened and have changed my ways of going about posting messages here and seeing the AFOL community in general. Ergo: It's over. Let it die. I was (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) If the argument is that all liberals have no validity because of Michael Moore, and therefore Kerry lost, why then hasn't every conservative lost because of the Big Fat Lying Drug-Addict? :-) -->Bruce<-- League of Green-Eyed Devil's Advocates (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Being against the war in Iraq does NOT mean being for Totalitarian Islam. Or, why Kerry lost and why Michael Moore is still a weenie... From The New Republic, specifically here: "A Fighting Faith (AN ARGUMENT FOR A NEW LIBERALISM.) by Peter Beinart (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, now that *is* pretty ridiculous, and they're succumbing in real, large-scale terms to the false dichotomy you identified. Outside of your direct experience, most of what I've heard has defaulted to "we have rules that apply to everyone (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is what I favor. And what I think Buckley favors too, although it would surely be harder to convince you of that than me. He's a knee jerk old school conservative but even stopped clocks are right twice a day (well, once a day if they're (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as the threat profile is reasonably specific and based on sound policy, rather than "I think that guy looks Arabish/let's frisk him," which is what Buckley's describing. Here's the part where he plays his hand: "The point is not (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seems pretty clear to me (1). He's asking why make things easier for the hordes of people that clearly are little no threat whatever in order to be a bit less PC to people that fit the threat profile more closely? Quoting from the part you (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure what Buckley's driving at, honestly. Any article that cites anything "wonderful" about an Ann Coulter book surely qualifies as delusional from the get-go, but of course I'm not one to dismiss an argument simply because its proponent (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Or, what do common sense and US government policy have in common? (URL) very little! (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's very good Kevin, you found what happened here on Lugnet. And, that is where it started. If I had not deleted the e-mails, I would post some words from them. Those e-mails are not here on Lugnet, but were in my e-mail account. I am (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space, FTX)
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Hello! (...) Sort of. (...) You must be mistaking me for somebody else. I am the guy who starts a posting with "hello" and closes it with "bye". And who are you? Bye Jojo (URL) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Custom Space: Obsidian Stealth Strike Craft for sale - The Brickee Mart
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(...) Gil, nice Gamesters reference. I'll put 400 quatloos on the newcomer! -Keith (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then don't. Ignore it - that's what he was saying. (...) So leave. I don't know you, haven't ever corresponded with you as far as I know. But Adrian was right on, first in putting this in .debate, where it belongs, and second on calling your (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Adrian, I really hate to start anything, but this behavior that you have exhibited in front of all of your peers (and the world, this being the world wide web), Is just the kind of immature, "I'm trying to start something" that is being disscused in (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I really have been thinking of not replying to this until I read your response. Now I think you should listen up. As someone who has borrowed from designs, and had my designed modified and borrowed as well, I don't mind someone doing that (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, this is not true. Why just the other day I saw both strip to the waist and fight like psuedo-men....sort of 'Fight Club' meets 'Gamesters of Triskellion'. Well....fight like slightly perturbed kittens, anyway. (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would like to add some clarification on this: A curator is someone who provides upkeep to a particular newsgroup, such as keeping the sidebar links up-to-date, etc. This position carries no particular authority, except as a bully pulpit. (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So... what you are saying is that you first appropriated their designs... THEN waited for them to notice... THEN gave them credit? Isn't that like stealing something, waiting for the victim to notice the theft, then giving the victim credit (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, sculptures are covered by copyright, and there are also some artist rights, retained by the artist even after selling the sculpture and all copyrights to it. Design Patent protection is not automatic, and it's expensive and has a limited (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Independant discovery is a defense that works for copyright violation, including copyright protection of design. The problem here is that if you are defending an infringement suit, you have to prove that you didn't have constructive access to (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm obviously not an IP lawyer. My impression is that Lucasfilm owns the copyrights to the image/design of an X-wing. Lego could not produce a kit that resembles anything like an x-wing without first obtaining Lucas's permission. Likewise I (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) more snip-age (...) Thanks for the info. I guess I was considering that a moot point since neither one of them had obtained the film company's permission first. I think that is something worth discussing since to achieve the end result of a (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm, is a MOC actually covered by copyright? It may only be protected by design patents, which I don't think are automatic. Are sculptures protected by copyright? Frank (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The above is somewhat mistaken. While selling, or theoretically creating, a moc based on a Gunstar would require the permission of the ownere (the movie company most likely) this doesn't mean that the first MOC maker doesn't also have IP here. (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed. As an example of this: When Ryan Wood decided to sell kits of his (URL) Floating Heads Sportscar>, he first contacted Tim Deering, creater of the floating heads. If I am not mistaken, Tim was very cordial and of course allowed Ryan to (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Giving Lee the benefit of the doubt, it is clear he doesn't understand the difference between copying someone's construction techniques and copying someone else's designs. Furthermore he does not understand the legal/moral differences between (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is most certainly on-topic for LEGO. It should be in lugnet.market.theory. Followup to lugnet.admin.nntp. (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.market.theory, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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(...) Now this couldn't have been that hard to find, could it? Collin is one of the most prominent members of FBTB. Here is his profile: (URL) includes a private message link. Given that Brickshelf no longer gives full names, you must have had some (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kevin Blocksidge wrote: SNIP (...) Hi Kevin, I think you are correct in terms of your suggestions, as I believe it really is not worth it to sell other people's designs that I have modified or based ships on. Clearly from (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Spot on. Personally, I think this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. I don't think any of these models actually sell do they? A (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. Furthermore, I believe Chris drew inspiration exclusively from this picture: (URL) Both are fine ships, as well. (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Chris's SMAC was influenced exclusively by this: (URL) -Grand Admiral .space Curator (URL) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (2 URLs) Howdy, This is really interesting, takes me back to good old college days when we talked about plagerism. And begs the question where do we draw the line? Where does taking an idea and using it become plagerism. How far is that line. (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is condescrending, because you deserve such treatment. You are a thief. My first post did not outright say it so clearly, but after reading your various responses, you have proven it. You knowingly copy the designs of others for personal (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hello Jason To answer your first question, I don't know if anyone here has any proofs. I made that clear in my previous post and I did say I was merely giving an opinion based on what I read, which didn't mention the fact that there was (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Notice that I've put my Admin identity on for just this post. When I am done, I'll go back to being a real person with real opinions, but not in this post. (...) OK, let's take it down a notch please. While this conversation has had some strong (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 1st - How do you know he doesn't have the "necessary" proofs? 2nd - Noone here at Lugnet is a "moderator", as it has been stressed many times before, Lugnet doesn't moderate (censor) posts. He is a member of the Lugnet Transition Team, but (...) (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) please send all future replys to this thread to lugnet.off-topic.debate. it no longer belongs in buy-sell-trade. ondrew (20 years ago, 14-Dec-04, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) there. Whoever chaired that commission seems to actually be clued in... - start - If there is one overarching goal they share, it is the overthrow of what Islamists call the“apostate” regimes: the tyrannies of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, (...) (20 years ago, 12-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) right Adr. (20 years ago, 9-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, oops! (currently within 20 miles of the worlds largest naval base... Santa Claus is waterskiing outside my balcony) (20 years ago, 8-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: [SNIP] (...) Hi Larry, yeah, I did pick up on that. I just didn't want to blow your cover on that by blurting it out.... :) Lee (20 years ago, 8-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) New Mexico (AP) -- An American T-shirt company has a solution for their fellow citizens who want to vacation in Europe without having to answer questions about U.S. politics -- pose as Canadians. " The bit that made me smile-- " When it comes (...) (20 years ago, 7-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which goes part and parcel with this paper-- (URL) if ya don't feel like slugging thru that, see a journalistic synopsis-- (URL) off great-- "THE Pentagon has admitted that the war on terror and the invasion and occupation of Iraq have (...) (20 years ago, 6-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the pages of the Guardian... Dear Mr Johnson, On November 26, your press counsellor sent a letter to the Guardian taking strong exception to a sentence in my column of the same day. The sentence read: "In Iraq, US forces and their Iraqi (...) (20 years ago, 6-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. it's very frightening. (in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic with my Subject line and statements....) (20 years ago, 6-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Larry, gotta tell you, there are many parts of PAI and PAII I am very unhappy about, as a conservative. While I think it is good for the FBI and CIA to be able to talk with each other regarding terrorism and share info, these sneak and peek (...) (20 years ago, 6-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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