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  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Ok, I'll bite... "Flatulent Loser..."? "Foaming Lapdog..."?? "False Leader..."??? "Freakish Limp****..."???? Oh, you mean "First Lady"! (At least she hasn't killed anyone recently...) - Chris. (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Phillips wrote: <snip> (...) I always liked the acronym--FLOTUS :) Ahh, what I glean from West Wing (and other sources ;) ) Dave K (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Gee, didn't Dubya use Oil Money to get himself inserted into the office? Doesn't he have even more money and WoMD at his disposal than Hussein could ever dream of? Sounds like you've just proven that the current POTUS is a threat to the world. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) One possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that St. Reagan both supported Hussein and supplied him with weapons of mass destruction. Another possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that Uncle Cheney had business (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) And my point right back at you is that millions and millions of people, in your country as well as mine, and the countless millions from all over the world, protesting do not a 'few' make. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Comparing SH with pre-war Germany is (URL) misleading>: "Let's be clear about this. Saddam Hussein is not Hitler, as hysterical Americans keep claiming. The charges of external violence are 12 years old. There is no coherent evidence that he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Would that we could compare that number to the number of innocents who would have been executed by SH by now. Chances are the latter would be higher, and thus Bush's intervention actually saved the lives of innocents in total. (...) We know (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Q Who is getting 38% of the $18.6bn?
 
(...) I'm sorry, but that's simply inconsistent with reality. Free trade absolutely does not exist in Iraq. As just one example, an enormous, multibillion-dollar, well-connected company has a stranglehold on the reconstruction process in a no-bid (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: 2 Qs For John
 
(...) Tell that to the Vietnam war dead… an estimated (URL) 2 million> (...) Many would say that it was your nation’s support for the House of Saud that rankled OBL so much… and Bush is still covering for them! (...) Nonsense. Right-wing Israeli (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Bush & Blair looked pretty keen on it! (...) I'm not saying anything. I'm just asking you to justify your point. It looks to me like you've based your opinion on a single quote! (...) He claims to be fighting for world securityfreedom... it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away?
 
(...) DO YOU AGREE? (...) This war could have been a "civil disagreement", but that's another issue! (...) You are avoiding the issue. How many US troops have been investigated for incidents in Iraq? Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Q Who is getting 38% of the $18.6bn?
 
(...) You mean like Bush is doing in (URL)? They boil people alive there with your tax-dollars..... wave your little flag at that if you dare! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Q Who is getting 38% of the $18.6bn?
 
(...) Good questions. They never existed in Iraq-- until now. Whatever happened to opposing blood-thirsty dictators, and promoting freedom and democracy in the world? JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: No! Say it ain't so! No France or Germany allowed!!
 
(...) What? You are just finally coming to that realization???? :-) JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Q Who is getting 38% of the $18.6bn?
 
(...) What ever happened to free trade? What ever happened to freedom of speech? For once he does not have Blair's support: (URL) (...) On the "security interests" point, it's good to see that Saudi Arabian companies are in for a share: (URL) Who is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away?
 
(...) War is hell, not civil disagreement. I do not the condone cold-blooded murder of innocent people, nor does the US military. They have their rules regarding such matters, and they will deal with it. JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  No! Say it ain't so! No France or Germany allowed!!
 
(URL) (CNN) -- The Pentagon will bar France, Germany and other countries that opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq from competing for $18.6 billion worth of contracts in the Mideast nation's reconstruction efforts " " "It is necessary for the protection (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away?
 
(...) None of that explains this quote: "Iraqi courts, because of an order issued by the US-led authority in Baghdad in June, are forbidden from hearing cases against American soldiers or any other foreign troops or foreign officials in Iraq." These (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) The pope is a radical? The leader of the Roman Catholic church? Hmmm... I think you're confusing the 'religious radical right zealots' you hang around with with "the silent majority" Or confusing the 'obviously uninformed' wrt 'coalition of (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) It is indeed a noble goal to stop someone from killing innocents, and to this end Dubya should be held accountable for every civilian death in Iraq. Further, and this cannot be stated often or loudly enough, the state primary motivation for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) You actually think that the radicals who show up at "peace rallies" are in any way indicative of the sentiments of the silent majority? All of the denominations you mentioned also oppose the mass killing of innocents at the hands of SH as (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: did you wave your little flag to make it go away?
 
(...) They were mistakes, hence the acknowledgment with the payouts for wrongful deaths. What would you want? For us not to pay????? JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  did you wave your little flag to make it go away?
 
(...) Avoiding the truth John? You deleted this line: "That is not my understanding. People have been needlessly killed, and Bush is covering the murderers’ <trails>." Did that story make you proud to support Bush, or did you have to wave your (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) How can you say that? I was at the peace rallies and many many signs were from Church organizations, from the United, Anglican, Methodist, and even my CRC denomination--and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Babes Against Bush
 
(...) I'm a big fan of sarcasm for whatever strange reason... That said--see, there's this problem I've always had, and I'll dredge up two examples... In Star Trek:TMP, Kirk is talking to Decker about why Kirk was put in charge of the mission (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Nobody wants war, Scott. Sometimes you haven't a choice. Sometimes you do. We either fight now or later. (...) Are you saying that most Londoners do? (...) Authority from whom? (...) How else are you going to prevent Wahabi Fascists from (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) Lately? It can be fairly said that, in many ways, the South and its Conservative (by today's yardstick) agenda have won the Civil War. Quasi-covert institutionalized racism and rampant corporate cronyism are hardly the hallmarks of modern (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: 2 Qs For John
 
(...) It's a big flag, Scott, and you should thank God that the most powerful nation in the world for the last century has been a freedom loving nation. (...) I don't know how SA popped in here, but WRT to Israel-- this country is in a struggle for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Babes Against Bush
 
(...) HEAR HEAR!!! THE INJUSTICE OF IT ALL! RUN HIM OUT ON A RAIL! (BTW, which was it? 0600 or 0700?) JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Babes Against Bush
 
Well, stumbled across this website (won't post link due to +PG13ish nature, but if you're so interested, I'm thinking you're pretty intelligent to go off and find link yourselves...) Anywho, 'Babes' are rallying against Dubya--and here's their 99 (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: 2 Qs For John
 
(...) I know I’m not John but I think these are good points. Doing thing for the benefit of your own country are fair enough providing you don’t care what other people (countries) think and you don’t try to present them as being for the good of the (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  2 Qs For John
 
(...) Well said John. Just keep waving your little flag. This is what I don't understand: Q1. How is supporting human rights abuses in Israel and Saudi Arabia in your collective self interest if the end result (indirect or otherwise) is 911 and (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) For starters: He lied to Parliament and took my country into a war that it did not want. (...) Are you saying Londoners did not share his view? (...) What don't you understand? (...) That the "War on Terror" is the only way to progress. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Indeed; Europe (Cyprus?) was within range of one of the missle systems SH did not have. Scott A (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) Ahem. Now listen, I do not watch television (1), and certainly not network news, much less Fox (I don't even have cable). But I'd say this about Fox: at least they admit that they are biased towards the right. The big three and CNN (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) c /mine/Lar's/ and we're in agreement. (...) That's precisely what I'm driving at! (...) Perhaps currently they are noisier yes and more annoying, but more controlling? Besides that runs counter to my argument, discourse apparent control (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) Hmm. That's a good point, except for the meta-fact that all arguments inconsistent with mine are summarily fallacious. (...) Interesting. I'd submit that "betterness" can be assessed in terms of which group is more effective at implementing (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) I'm not sure I agree that it's fact. Putting aside the false one dimensionality that you use to measure with, that is. I would assert that the Fox/Limbaugh/Moral Majority axis has gotten better at articulating their views in the media of late (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) The bigger 'dirty little secret' is "Hey! The Euro's hate us anyway so who cares about their opinion where 'world events ' are concered even though the Europeans live closer to Iraq than do Americans... and hey! What about (not that I haven't (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) //Irony on// (URL) devil can cite scripture to his purpose.> //Irony off// (...) Perhaps, but the dirtier little secret is that Europe's antipathy is not and has not always been groundless. Dave! (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) I would suggest that, based on anything visible in the past few elections, it's hard to say that the population is moving to the Right. The 2000 election (with very high turnout) showed a Centrist tend with a split straight down the middle (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) What is your implication? That he isn't a "good man"? Are you so partisan that you can't even give credit where it is due? (...) His complete lack of civility. I don't care if he believes Bush is the Devil (which he probably does BTW); he is a (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) Beyond the current political issues, do we agree on the base axiom that there is a 'pendulum motion' in the course of events--in the physical world, we could look to nature, in which, when the rabbit population increases, the 'predators of (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) I would analyze the "swing to the right" in the US a little differently. We have been moving very left in about all ways for the past decade, and now that things are heading back to the right, the Left is crying about the departure. We are (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: snip (...) That Mike P--he's got lotsa stuff worth coveting! I think, for most aspects of life, there is this 'pendulum motion'Dark ages to 'enlightnement', from '50's nuclear family to '60's 'free (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) ...Mike's wealth needed redistributing... it's the socialist way ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) Hey, let's be fair. You were (URL) into Mike P's house at the time! Dave! (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: <snip> (...) Well, I was called a 'liberal Canadian who loves West Wing' once in this very group. I wouldn't count myself a Canadian Liberal, however--I'd never vote for JC or any of his cronies--I (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil? [may offend]
 
(...) I expect liking Bush is like onanism(1); a lot of people do it, but very few ever admit to it. ;) Seriously, it is my feeling that this group has drifted to the left slightly over the last couple of years. Does anyone agree? Scott A (Yes, I do (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) In what sense? (...) In what sense? (...) He has power, but no athourity. He lost the argument a long time time ago, and ever since has relied on "might-makes-right". MLK Jr: "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Still one of my fav. sites--
 
So the DU.com is just a good read... (URL) select quotes-- " Convinced that 9-11 was an opportunity to be "seized to achieve great things," Dubya told the Washington Post's Bob Woodward, "We will export death and violence to the four corners of the (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) Sorry Richard, is this better: He is nothing but a "Warmongeringhypocri...ngcoward"! :-) My latter comment of Friday was a joke. But if you check my posts, I expect you'll see I have evidenced my accusations! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) You mean turkey-gate? See (URL) Turkey stunt comes back to haunt Bush> (...) The coward comment referred to his "draft dodging" & the way he cowered on 911 instead of leading his country. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 8-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) Not extinct, but either too bored to respond to tired old assertions, too busy, or too preoccupied with building (all of which apply to me:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) Hmmm, a troll of a troll? JOHN (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) I would disagree. Even if the sentiment in question is undeniably true, it can still be annoying behaviour to repeat it over and over and not add any other value. Suppose someone (0) constructed an automaton so that it once an hour posted "the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) My mistake -- I was under the impression that such a post would, without doubt, inflame the Pro-Bush Crowd. However after several minutes searching, it appears that such a beast has become extinct here! For the sake of debate, but not as far (...) (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
Well, if you can prove any of that wrong, then it's a troll, I suppose. But since you can't, then it's not a troll. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) Hehe.. do you have a bridge for that troll? Richard (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Score one for the Dem's
 
(...) It is a googlebomb. (URL) (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Shopoholic stampede (UPDATE)
 
(...) Here you go: (URL) (21 years ago, 6-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Thank you. If for no other reason than its old news, ploughed ground, and things of this nature. (...) I have a sneaky suspicion that this is a lot of irregularities around the country, but Florida just happened to receive the spotlight. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Score one for the Dem's
 
(...) Now that's entertainment! Dave K (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Score one for the Dem's
 
1) Go to (URL) Enter "miserable failure" 3) Click "I'm Feeling Lucky" DaveE (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) That we need--a militart draft dodger war mongering and appointed moron to be 'the most powerful man' in the world. Count me in on that one! (...) How about respect from countries--Canada for one--you can wax poetically all you want about how (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) Please. Blair isn't; he's a good man. Perhaps the mayor of London is, but he is the biggest ass of a politician there ever was. I'm sure Bush is snickering, too-- all the way to being the most powerful person on earth. Deal. (...) Respect from (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Hallowed by his name, part II
 
(...) Further efforts at deification are discussed (URL) here.> Note that Souder isn't trying to oust Washington or Lincoln but is instead hoping to replace The New Deal President with the very icon of corporate politics. Dave! (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
(...) Bush also lectures the world on "free trade" whilst imposing illegal import tariffs to protect his inefficient and polluting corporate buddies : (URL) Bush ditches steel import duties> He is nothing but a "Warmongeringhypocri...ngcoward"! (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
Hmm, I recall a little while ago the Canadian Government gave a warning to its Muslim citizens about travelling to the US because of the racial profiling at immigration. I remember finding it so ludicrous that it was almost funny. This is (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Why do I have a problem with pseudo-Christians???
 
(URL) the actual traffic violation(s)... " Donkers and her husband are believed to be members of an organisation called the First Christian Fellowship for Eternal Sovereignty which instructs that the husband is the head of the family and a wife can (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: snip (...) The terribly sad part about this entire thing is the memory (or the lack thereof) of the voting populace. What I'm beginning to see right now is the American economy improving (so the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Shopoholic stampede (UPDATE)
 
(...) Can you point to an online article to that effect? I've heard of serial victims before, but I'd like to read more info if it's available. Dave! (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Few Liberals identify the stolen election as a major current issue; we grudgingly accept that we are, for now, stuck with the President we have, so let's move on. The lingering issue, however, is that numerous irregularities have come to light (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Shopoholic stampede (UPDATE)
 
(...) It turns out the poor trampled woman has been "injured" enough in the past that she has a history of 16 lawsuits, 10 of which she recived money for. The pig smell is still there however I don't think it's coming from Wal-Mart!-Ken (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Remember the Axis of Evil?
 
Remember the Axis of Evil? Well it appears Bush has been exporting “terrorist suspects” to Syria to take advantage of “more robust interrogation techniques” (ie torture). Read about the case of a Canadian national here: (URL) Maher Arar sues Syria, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
 
(...) In the UK, the Left, Right & Centre enjoy a chortle at Bush's electoral credentials (and his intellectual abilities). From an international PR PoV, Bush has been a disaster for the USA. He has destroyed a great deal of the international (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (actually re: seriously)
 
(...) I think it would be instructive for you and everyone else that is concerned about this matter (all 3 of you :-) ) to review Todd's original (URL) post> especially the last sentence: "However, in the process I expect you in turn to respect the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) I think that was the gist of Scott's repetition of the Left's tired "joke". Har, Har, Bush was selected, not elected. The fact is, however, that Bush's "selection" was a result of Gore contesting the election. Had not he gone to court, Bush's (...) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Eh... No, "re-elected" means that he has been elected once, and now hes trying to get re-elected. Actually, im not entirly sure if he WAS elected once, but i guess that term will have to suffice.... Alex (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Fraser vs Fraiser! Next on Fox! Was blah blah blah Dubya
 
(...) Baby I hear those blues a'callin,... tossed salads and scrambled eggs... Dr. Crane has left the building.... It reminds me of I can't remember which show, but someone said, "Oh, this is that 'Three's Company' episode where there's a (...) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Man, can't you go one thread without referring to Kelsey Grammer? 8^) Dave! (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: <snip> (...) *Bam!* And down goes Fraser! Dave K -in the parlance of all the net-philes, "Dubya pwned!" or "Scott A>Dubya" -Take 2--fixing a plethora of problems, least of which is the FTX :) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) And sown goes Fraser! Dave K -in the parlance of all the net-philes, "Dubya pwned!" or "Scott A>Dubya" (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Note: The term "re-elected" implies he has already been elected. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (actually re: seriously)
 
In lugnet.admin.general, Richard Marchetti wrote: (snip) (...) "Letter of the TOS"? Really. Tell me how exactly your post is anywhere near on topic for .admin. Grow up. JOHN (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (actually re: seriously)
 
(...) I completely agree he was rabble rousing and fully aware of it. Also arguably as egregious with its "in your face" attitude was his flaunting the fact that he was posting with a dead email address and not providing a good one. But I saw no (...) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (actually re: seriously)
 
(...) I would vigorously dispute that. In fact I already have, and the person I disputed them with was satisfied that what I was getting at was that Richard acknowledge that he erred, acknowledge that he doesn't get a pass because he's an Angry (...) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (actually re: seriously)
 
(...) Hop Frog cannot answer you because he has been banned. BTW, about the ban... what I would have suggested is a blanket ban with a definite time frame. He obviously posted knowing full well he was in violation of the TOS so a ban is in order. (...) (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
 
  Re: Information War (was Re: Bush is almost as much of an idiot as is John Neal)
 
(...) Well, Hop-Frog, we may be enemys on the .Castle front, but-- Wow. Incredible speach. Bravo, thrice over! alex (21 years ago, 4-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
(...) Its about getting George W. Bush re-elected. Duh- didnt everybody know that the war was just so that Mr. Bush could get in some good photos of him acting like a little smarty by landing on an aircraft carrier? I mean, if Iraq was of no threat (...) (21 years ago, 3-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Bush fires Guantanamo defence team
 
From: (URL) US fires Guantanamo defence team> "The first day, when they were being briefed on the dos and don'ts, at least a couple said: 'You can't impose these restrictions on us because we can't properly represent our clients.' "When the group (...) (21 years ago, 3-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: A sincere question about the Bible
 
orrex@excite.com (Dave Schuler) wrote in <Hopn0o.1M3y@lugnet.com>: (...) Yep, it's mostly implicit. Apart from the stuff John mentioned, there are some places where it's pretty clear, like in this combination: 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in (...) (21 years ago, 3-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  "Americans Exaggerated Battle Death Toll"
 
From today's (URL) Scotsman>: "Many residents said the Americans opened fire at random when they came under attack, and targeted civilian installations.Six destroyed vehicles sat in front of the hospital, where witnesses said US tanks shelled people (...) (21 years ago, 2-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Shopoholic stampede
 
(...) Before this type of thing usually happened iduring 'christmas sales' like the 'tickle me elmo' idiocy that happened a few years back... Now it looks like this sort of thing happens everywhere and at any time--'look out! It's an 'every person (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Shopoholic stampede
 
This BBC article angered me: (URL) lined up trample a woman over a sale on DVD players. Only the woman's sister and a store employee come to her aid. But, to add insult to injury, after that ordeal, the company offers to put an item on hold for her, (...) (21 years ago, 30-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  More on Diebold and voting fraud
 
(URL) has some new information. Everything blue in the article is a link to somewhere else. Apparently some of the sourcecode for these voting machines has been purloined, posted in multiple places, and examined by purported experts who claim that (...) (21 years ago, 29-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Message awaiting authentication
 
(...) Where did I say that? I can think of a host of things I'd like to see added (and have made suggestions about them in the past) and I would in no way equate my saying "I'm not someone that says that a private service has to accomodate all (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Message awaiting authentication
 
(...) Who said that? I'm not seeing that in this thread, although the thread (and other related ones) has some aspects of "usenet is better because it is free" koolaid drinking to it. So it may be that there's some rigidity present, yes... just not (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Message awaiting authentication
 
(...) I give up. Maybe you're right. I just thought I'd make a suggestion that could possibly make lugnet better. Who knew I was straying into debate territory. Let's everyone chant together. Lugnet is perfect! Lugnet is perfect! Change is bad... (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Message awaiting authentication
 
(...) Actually, that's what I was hoping for when I asked the question. For Todd to think about it for a few seconds and then decide if there was possibly a way to make an improvement to lugnet without a whole lot of effort. Instead I got you, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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