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Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:16:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In the UK, the Left, Right & Centre enjoy a chortle at Bush’s electoral
credentials (and his intellectual abilities).
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Please. Blair isn’t; he’s a good man. Perhaps the mayor of London is, but
he is the biggest ass of a politician there ever was. I’m sure Bush is
snickering, too-- all the way to being the most powerful person on earth.
Deal.
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That we need--a militart draft dodger war mongering and appointed moron to be
‘the most powerful man’ in the world. Count me in on that one!
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From an international PR PoV,
Bush has been a disaster for the USA. He has destroyed a great deal of the
international respect the USA had.
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Respect from whom, Scott? We will do what we believe is in our best
interests as a nation. That is usually in the best interests of the world as
well, because a strong, free America is good for the world (not to mention
a prosperous one as well). We are not intested in pleasing people or
countries, but preserving our way of life, namely freedom, and assisting
others in achieving that goal as well.
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How about respect from countries--Canada for one--you can wax poetically all you
want about how great Blair is and all that, but statistically, economically, and
in almost every other way for the last bunch of years, Canada is your closest
ally for everything, and yet ignored (not that we care) but more importantly,
didn’t go out with you on this one. Why? ‘Cause you’re wrong! Talk all you
want about your ‘war on terror’, but the truth is you’re wrong--the only truth
here is the word ‘war’ but it has nothing to do with terror--is a thinly veiled
guise that placates folks like you so that Dubya can do as he pleases. Nice.
More than that, it wasn’t just Canada who didn’t join you, it was many
countries--‘coalition of the willing’? Yeah, willing to put ideas of Justice
aside...
“We know they have WOMD and we know where they are!” --justification for
starting the war.
Well, John, where are they? Point to them!
‘Atrocities commited by SH’s regime--mass graves’ -- from over a decade ago when
your administration was supporting him.
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Har, Har, Bush was selected, not elected. The fact is, however, that
Bush’s “selection” was a result of Gore contesting the election. Had not
he gone to court, Bush’s election would have stood. That the Supreme
Court “selected” Bush is entirely the result of the Democrats. And then
they cry that Bush was “selected”, not elected. Whatever.
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Wow... but why no mention of the role Bush’s brother played in this story?
When you read about that and the other hocus pocus you’ll see that using
the term “elected” is a little dubious!
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What are you suggesting? That his brother had any illegal influence over the
election? Please! You are badly informed. Florida is a non-story. Perhaps
you should read less conspiracy literature-- it makes one paranoid (although
I will concede that just because you’re not paranoid doesn’t mean that they
aren’t our to get you;-)
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Because you say it isn’t a ‘non-story’ doesn’t make it so--as I’ve read by
reputable sources--many legitimate voters, mostly democrats, couldn’t vote. So
what? Show me otherwise.
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I fear you may get a re-run of this story next year come election day:
CEO lobbies for
Bush while seeking contract to sell voting machines
“to show that Republicans will truly stop at next to nothing to win
elections and hand the keys of the national treasury over to their fat cat
donors - there is Walden O?Dell, the CEO of Diebold Inc. Diebold is the
company that wants to get the contract to provide and program voting
machines in every state for the 2004 election and O’Dell is raising money
exclusively for President Bush and the Republican National Committee (RNC).
O’Dell, in a fundraising letter on August 14th, committed “to helping Ohio
deliver its electoral votes to the president next year” according to the
Associated Press. In the 2002 election cycle, O’Dell gave $5,965 to the RNC
while Diebold gave the RNC $95,000.”
In the words of Joe Stalin:
“Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything.”
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Stalin was a monster and an idiot. What he should have said was, “Those
with the biggest guns decide everything”. WRT to Democracy, it should be,
“those who don’t vote decide nothing.” As far as allogations of election
fraud in 2004-- more conspiracy theories....yawn.
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Stalin was a monster and an idiot. Agree. Took what should have been a
prosperous country and drove it into the ground by ignoring the will of the
people, raped the environmental resources, and basically said that ‘big brother
knows best--gov’t rules!’ Show me how Dubya’s any different.
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I hope WC gets the democratic nomination; I hear that the election will be
billed as “The General v The Coward” or “The General v Draft Dodger”(1)
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Clark is slippery enough on issues to get nominated, but I think it will be
Howard Dean. Whichever one wins, he will lose.
JOHN
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On this, sadly, I’ll agree.
But its your country--have fun with it. I won’t be around, but history will
show that the moron you have in charge right now is the most corrupt president
you have ever had--one who was bought by ‘Corporate America’ and who serves the
will of the radical right--“Joiner not a divider”???? Well, one of his many,
many lies over his term.
Dave K
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| (...) Please. Blair isn't; he's a good man. Perhaps the mayor of London is, but he is the biggest ass of a politician there ever was. I'm sure Bush is snickering, too-- all the way to being the most powerful person on earth. Deal. (...) Respect from (...) (21 years ago, 5-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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