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Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:46:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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You actually think that the radicals who show up at “peace rallies” are in
any way indicative of the sentiments of the silent majority?
All of the denominations you mentioned also oppose the mass killing of
innocents at the hands of SH as well. Some just supported the decision to
actually do something about it.
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It is indeed a noble goal to stop someone from killing innocents, and to this
end Dubya should be held accountable for every civilian death in Iraq.
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Would that we could compare that number to the number of innocents who would
have been executed by SH by now. Chances are the latter would be higher, and
thus Bush’s intervention actually saved the lives of innocents in total.
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Further, and this cannot be stated often or loudly enough, the state
primary motivation for invading Iraq was that Hussein possessed weapons of
mass destruction and that he posed a direct threat to the United States.
Whatever happened to those weapons, anyway?
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We know that they existed. SH used them on the Kurds. Either he destroyed
them (but then why wouldn’t he simply say so and thus averting his own
desposition!), or they still exist somewhere. The whole thing makes no sense to
me. What other possibilities are there?
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Whether or not we stopped Hussein from killing innocents is, ultimately,
beside the point. Our stated goal was to attack Hussein before he could
attack us.
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And we did that. We will never know what we prevented him from perpetrating on
the world, but I honestly wouldn’t want to wait and find out. Take out Hitler
in ‘37.
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The fact that Hussein was a brutal dictator was used to justify
the pursuit of that stated goal, but it was not, in itself, the goal.
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In a way it was, because monsters such as he, with the amount of oil money at
his disposal, are a threat to the world by their nature-- ask any Kuwaiti.
The guy was a powderkeg (who had a history of blowing up).
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Alternatively, if Dubya’s goal was to oust Hussein because Hussein killed
innocent Iraqis, then he lied to the American public, to Congress, to the
United Nations, and to the world at large.
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It wasn’t the sole stated intent, but a good byproduct.
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As an additional rhetorical note, appeals to “the silent majority” are akin
to claiming that we’ve discovered 75% of the oil on Earth. To claim to have
determined the will of the silent majority is to render that “majority”
non-silent, and in any case I’m not convinced that the silent majority you
cite is any more accurately representative than a silent majority I might
cite.
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My only point to DaveK was that he gleaned the will of Christianity from a few
radicals who waved protest signs and attended a peace rally. My reference to
the “silent majority” was only in this context-- speaking about everyone else
who chose not to attend that little rally about which he spoke.
Thanks to scientific polls, the will of the “silent majority” is knowable,
and most Americans favored the intervention to liberate Iraq (as did Congress
BTW).
JOHN
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Message has 4 Replies:
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| (...) Comparing SH with pre-war Germany is (URL) misleading>: "Let's be clear about this. Saddam Hussein is not Hitler, as hysterical Americans keep claiming. The charges of external violence are 12 years old. There is no coherent evidence that he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) And my point right back at you is that millions and millions of people, in your country as well as mine, and the countless millions from all over the world, protesting do not a 'few' make. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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| (...) One possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that St. Reagan both supported Hussein and supplied him with weapons of mass destruction. Another possibility is that Dubya could publicly acknowledge that Uncle Cheney had business (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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| (...) Gee, didn't Dubya use Oil Money to get himself inserted into the office? Doesn't he have even more money and WoMD at his disposal than Hussein could ever dream of? Sounds like you've just proven that the current POTUS is a threat to the world. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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| (...) It is indeed a noble goal to stop someone from killing innocents, and to this end Dubya should be held accountable for every civilian death in Iraq. Further, and this cannot be stated often or loudly enough, the state primary motivation for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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