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Re: 2 Qs For John
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Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:37:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
  
   Respect from whom, Scott? We will do what we believe is in our best interests as a nation. That is usually in the best interests of the world as well, because a strong, free America is good for the world (not to mention a prosperous one as well). We are not intested in pleasing people or countries, but preserving our way of life, namely freedom, and assisting others in achieving that goal as well.

Well said John. Just keep waving your little flag.

It’s a big flag, Scott, and you should thank God that the most powerful nation in the world for the last century has been a freedom loving nation.

Tell that to the Vietnam war dead… an estimated 2 million

  
  
This is what I don’t understand:

Q1. How is supporting human rights abuses in Israel and Saudi Arabia in your collective self interest if the end result (indirect or otherwise) is 911 and related attacks?

I don’t know how SA popped in here,

Many would say that it was your nation’s support for the House of Saud that rankled OBL so much… and Bush is still covering for them!

   but WRT to Israel-- this country is in a struggle for its very existence, and has shown remarkable restraint in the use of deadly force against the Palestinians,

Nonsense. Right-wing Israeli politicians can be generalised a bunch of land-grabbing human rights abusers... and that’s a fact.

   who are being used as pawns by dispicable slime such as Arafat to destroy their nation.

   Your characterization of Israeli policy is highly offensive and ignorant to say the least.

It’s based on fact. Israel is a belligerent nation lead by an alleged war criminal who has no respect for human life... that’s a fact.

   Further, your ignorant cause-effect analysis of US support for Israel and 911 indicates that you still don’t get it

So you are saying there is not even an indirect link between OBLs actions and US foreign policy on the Middle-East!?! Wake up and smell the Coffee!

   -- the world is at war with Islamo-facists, and the sooner you pull your head out of the sand and do something about it, the sooner the threat will be thwarted. Get it, Nevil?


What do these “Islamo-facists” want? Why?

  
   Q2. How has invading Iraq improved your ?freedom?? It appears it has made the world less safe?

Once again, for the umpteenth time: The world is safer because the monster SH has been removed from a place of power

Tell that to the dead in Turkey... the world has gotten less safe since Iraq was invaded. Not least because the UN was sidelined.

   where he could acquire, develop, or give WMD to monsters such as OBL.


What WMD? Where are they?


  
The world was in imminent danger of terrorist attacks whether we invaded Iraq or not!

So now you are saying we are no safer? The threat is still “imminent”; it’s just that the invasion radicalised a few million more in the middle-east?

   We are simply deciding to fight now before WMD get into the hands of the terrorists.

What WMD? The stuff that Rumsfeld sold SH? The stuff that SH was keeping safe? The stuff that is missing now? Get a grip!

   Just because we are nipping terror in the bud doesn’t mean that the terror isn’t there (as it might appear to someone whose head is in the sand).

Yep, and Bush is their best friend. He serves them just what they want... with all the trimmings! OBL should pay him commission. If SH or OBL are still alive,they must be laughing!

Scott A



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(...) It's a big flag, Scott, and you should thank God that the most powerful nation in the world for the last century has been a freedom loving nation. (...) I don't know how SA popped in here, but WRT to Israel-- this country is in a struggle for (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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