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Re: Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
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Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:59:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In the UK, the Left, Right & Centre enjoy a chortle at Bush’s electoral
credentials (and his intellectual abilities).
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Please. Blair isn’t; he’s a good man.
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In what sense?
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What is your implication? That he isn’t a “good man”? Are you so
partisan that you can’t even give credit where it is due?
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For starters: He lied to Parliament and took my country into a war that it
did not want.
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Nobody wants war, Scott.
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Bush & Blair looked pretty keen on it!
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Sometimes you haven’t a choice. Sometimes you do.
We either fight now or later.
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Perhaps the mayor of London is, but
he is the biggest ass of a politician there ever was.
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In what sense?
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His complete lack of civility. I don’t care if he believes Bush is the
Devil (which he probably does BTW); he is a representative of the city of
London, and should act accordingly.
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Are you saying Londoners did not share his view?
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Are you saying that most Londoners do?
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I’m not saying anything. I’m just asking you to justify your point. It looks to
me like you’ve based your opinion on a single quote!
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He should check his narcissism at the door.
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I’m sure Bush is
snickering, too-- all the way to being the most powerful person on earth.
Deal.
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He has power, but no authority.
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???
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What don’t you understand?
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Authority from whom?
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He claims to be fighting for world securityfreedom... it’s a fight the world
does not want in my opinion.
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He lost the argument a long time time ago,
and ever since has relied on “might-makes-right”.
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??? Which argument was that?
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That the “War on Terror” is the only way to progress.
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How else are you going to prevent Wahabi Fascists from attempting to dominate
the world? Wake up! Do you have any idea what the face of Europe will look
like in 40 years? It is going to be predominantly Muslim! What kind of
Islam they practice should be of concern to you...
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Justify these comments, or I’ll stick you in a bin marked “paranoid xenophobe”.
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He has relied on “might-rights-wrong”.
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MLK Jr: “Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have
guided missiles and misguided men.”
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Interesting that you’d quote a minister and applied it to a Christian
president, and all the while being yourself not a Christian (I presume).
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You are avoiding the point... But I’ll indulge you.... most of the Christian
institutions are against his invasion of Iraq; Where does that leave your
“Christian president”?
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At best the Church is split on the issue. Most US Christians are with Bush
and support the liberation of Iraq.
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On what are you basing that view; a Fox News Phone-in Poll?
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Maybe something you said long ago here in this forum; I don’t recall. You
certainly never professed to be that I’m aware; sorry if I am wrong. Are
you?
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It’s not relevant. I make a point of not using my religious views as a debating
tool... unlike Bush! What is important about my perspective on religion is this:
I respect all religions…
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From an international PR PoV,
Bush has been a disaster for the USA. He has destroyed a great deal of
the international respect the USA had.
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Respect from whom, Scott?
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Most of Europe for starters.
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Please. The dirty little secret is that Europe has always detested America
for one reason or another.
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Is that the best you can do?
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My point is that we never had any “international respect” that you asserted
we had.
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Can you justify that, or is it just another of your paranoid xenophobic views?
;)
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We will do what we believe is in our best
interests as a nation.
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Were steel tariffs in your “best interests”?
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Well, were they?
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That is another debate entirely which I don’t care to take up.
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I wonder why!? IS the truth inconvenient?
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Thank God,
though, that the US was so instrumental in founding the WTO in the first
place;-)
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That is usually in the best interests of the world as
well, because a strong, free America is good for the world (not to
mention a prosperous one as well).
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Tell that to the innocents killed in Iraq.
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I will tell you that we went to unprecedented lengths to avoid inflicting
civilian causualities in the invasion of Iraq.
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That is not my understanding.
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It is mine, and the policy of the US military WRT to that invasion.
GOOD!
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Why?
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I think it is a harder sell
to the families of US soldiers who were killed in the line of duty for the
liberation of Iraq.
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Will Halliburton pay their war pensions? Will Halliburton pay for their
kids’ education?
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Coo-coo; coo-coo.
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Why should they not pay; they appear, in the eyes of many, to be the main
beneficiaries. I expect most of your war dead would have come from homes with
below average income and levels of educational attainment. Why should they be
sacrificed to feed the greed of Bush’s corporate sponsors?
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We are not intested in pleasing people or
countries, but preserving our way of life, namely freedom, and assisting
others in achieving that goal as well.
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Is this where I list all the despots Bush is in league with? How he is
funding repression and gross human rights abuses in places like Israel and
Uzbekistan?
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Buzz. You just pushed my “Israel button” and I have no further desire to
continue another pointless debate with you over ploughed ground.
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Does the truth hurt so much?
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No, it’s the banging of my head on the wall on this topic with you.
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The truth is often painful. For an example throw “Israel human rights abuses”
into google and see what you get… it’s not pretty! An these guys are your
friends!
Scott A
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| (...) Nobody wants war, Scott. Sometimes you haven't a choice. Sometimes you do. We either fight now or later. (...) Are you saying that most Londoners do? (...) Authority from whom? (...) How else are you going to prevent Wahabi Fascists from (...) (21 years ago, 9-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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