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If the new ng is specific to Robot Arena (which sounds like a cool idea), it could be named: lugnet.robot-arena lugnet.loc.robot-arena lugnet.events.robot-arena lugnet.gaming.robot-arena[1] or even: lugnet.robotics.robot-arena This is a hard call. (...) (26 years ago, 13-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Steve, Could you go into a bit more detail on the first sentence quoted above? The lego-robotics@crynwr.com mailing list is already currently gatewayed with the lugnet.robotics newsgroup. Are you envisioning some other type of gateway? Or a (...) (26 years ago, 16-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd: (...) Just to remind you of my opinion on this question. I would like to keep the l-cad mailing list for technical problems regarding the internals of LEGO CAD software (file formats, creating new parts, etc.), and use lugnet.cad for the "user (...) (26 years ago, 16-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I know. :) I was asking Steve what his opinion was. (...) What about a gatewaying through a sub-group? -- i.e., something like one of the following: lugnet.cad.dev lugnet.cad.devel lugnet.cad.develop lugnet.cad.developer lugnet.cad.developers (...) (26 years ago, 17-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, it came up on the list. Sorry to not reply, but I didn't know what to say. To busy arguing other points. :-/ -- Terry K -- (26 years ago, 17-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Aha, so it did get through. OK. Question then -- is it normal on that list for sent-messages not to be echoed back to the sender? Or is it weird that I didn't see my own posted message? --Todd (26 years ago, 17-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, it is the normal default for messages to not be sent back to the sender. There are a couple of listserv commands to alter that: " You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. If you (...) (26 years ago, 17-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I meant that if there was a hierarchy created specifically to echo mailing lists, I would support the idea of echoing/linking L-CAD on lugnet. But I have the feeling that this hierarchy would only ever have two subgroups. (...) I was (...) (26 years ago, 18-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Steve, You're much more in touch with people's feeling on this issue than I am. I don't really understand the disadvantages...all I see are advantages... But then again, I'm probably biased because I'm not a fan of e-mail for threaded (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Let's throw another data point into the equation: A specialized/focused ng for Dave Baum's _Not_Quite_C_ language/compiler. Would something like this go best as lugnet.robotics.nqc or in a new place like lugnet.comp.lang.nqc? (Someday, for (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't know about that. (...) I don't think any of the issues are technical. Actually, I'd like to see a lot of the traffic from L-CAD move to lugnet. But there's a lot of other traffic that is more a private discussion among L-CAD'ers (like (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I could go either way. I suppose that a lugnet.comp.* hierarchy could expand someday, to cover various software packages and online stuff. No, wait. I changed my mind. How much potential is there for *computer-centered* discussion on lugnet? (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) How about both? write it as two aliases for the same physical group, disallowing crossposting between them, or at least handling it somehow. Jasper (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think it's more like "we don't want the threads exposed to the world". Of course, the major players are all there already -- you, Larry and Mike. (...) True. Is the Robot Arena going to be time-limited, or are they planning a series of (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Help me out a bit on that -- When you say "doesn't really need to be," do you mean to suggest that those types of discussions are too esoteric for here? Heh heh -- we've got a special newsgroup here now just for weekly announcements of LEGO (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) More toward the end of the list, I believe. Any readers are welcome to jump in at this point with contradictory opinions. (...) Hmm. TLG watchers? Good or bad? Hmm. (...) I don't know. It's running on the list-server at Doug Finney's alma (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Good point. If ever there is any .comp.* hierarchy, maybe it'll end up being inside the .off-topic.* hierarchy. Sure seems to be a lot of good geeking going on lately there in terms of overclocking CPUs and video cards and all that great (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It gets back to expectations of behavior (both people and machines). As a mail-list subsriber, I'd expect the list to behave one way. As an ng reader, I'd have different expectations. If Chris Atlas had posted to lugnet.anything-else, I doubt (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) "exposed" meaning "poisoned" or "corrupted" or "affected" or "known" or "watched" or "commented on" or "muddied up"? :) If it means "known," what about lurking and/or participation from people inside TLG? (...) I think (not positive) it's an (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <36a4be19.12532954@l...et.com>... (...) This is also my general opinion of the group's feeling, but I can only speak for my own, and I think it lies (as mentioned) at the far end of that list. LINC (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't follow you here. In what sense am I a major player in the LCad arena (or in the robotics arena?) I stopped following robotics some time ago, no time, and I only make very rare (but hopefully useful) suggestions in LCad. I think the (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I see. So is it accurate to say that one concern is Joe Random Poster dropping in and posting a doofy comment, opinion, question, or problem...? If so, I would have to agree that a J.R.P. is more likely to subscribe and post doofy things to a (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I grok what you're saying, almost. It's the conclusion that I have trouble making the quantum-leap to. :) OK, so the robotics ng has a different character or flavor or group-behavior than other groups...I grok that. How does it follow that the (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <36a4d53e.57295068@l...et.com>... (...) No, it is not accurate to use the word "doofy". I think uniformed or misplaced comments would be a better description. I lurked on the LCAD list for months before asking a (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It was sort of a joke. It refers back to a post of lugnet message-counts by person. Don't worry about it too much. Steve (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Umm, I'd put all ng's with the flavor of being echoes of external mailing-lists into a hierarchy of lugnet.mailing-echo.* Not to say that would make any substantial difference in anything. It just feels right to me. Steve (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Har! Re-reading what I just posted, there are a couple seemingly contradictory statements there... Actually, they're not contradictory -- they're talking about two different types of people. The first one is suggesting that someone who's (...) (26 years ago, 19-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) RCXCC uses NQC as its compiler, so I think including RCXCC in an NQC newsgroup is appropriate. I don't know anything about RCXLib for Palm (although the NQC source distribution has its own version of an RCXLib). Dave (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I meant relatively hidden with respect to the ng, once you know about the ng's. For example, I just took a browse through the ng looking for URLs and found Jacob's and Laurentino's and Steve's page, among others... Even knowing that the LDraw (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) But: (1) The whole point in the first place of linking ba-lego@cinnamon.com with lugnet.loc.us.ca.sf was to bring those two particular pre-existing groups together. If ba-lego@cinnamon.com was echoed over in a .mailing-echo.* hierarchy, then (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I suppose. But only if there a N pre-existing mailing lists. Since each of the lugnet ng's is a mailing list, if a separate ml didn't exist before, there's no reason for to create one after the ng-ml appears. Unless there's someone(s) who (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote (...) :) (...) and (...) You forgot about turning on your computer and moving the mouse in that list of steps. IMO this is a Straw Man argument. If you have used LDraw or LEdit, you have read the FAQ and it is in the FAQ. It is (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Depends on whether there's a parts-vote going on. In the last several days, it would be handy to see things in a thready manner. (...) Again, I went data-diving just last night (I had to dig up the BAT I posted for creating MPD files). (...) (...) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <36a61fe4.6069684@lu...et.com>... (...) I agree! LINC Ps. lets do it after the vote is finished :) (26 years ago, 20-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'm thinkin' it's possible (if not likely) that other existing mailing lists analagous to ba-lego@cinnamon.com will continue to surface from time to time and desire to be hooked into a .loc group. Maybe not often, but maybe a couple or more a (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't think your reasons for believing that there is no need are flawed, After all, from your point of view, as you described, a news gateway wouldn't help you. But if I'm understanding your conclusions, then the flaw, I think, is in (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I just got a curious message back from the L-CAD list-server tonight... "The distribution of your message dated Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:35:37 -0600 with subject "Re: number for unknown part" has been postponed because the L-CAD list is held. No (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For sure! L-CAD is the only place to decide the issue... But thinking through the advantages/gains and disadvantages/risks ahead of time (like we're doing here) prior to bringing it up on L-CAD seems like a good idea to me. It's always good to (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Right. It looks like they upgraded their system. I don't remember getting such a useful message last fall. (...) I don't know -- I'm guessing it was resolved off-line between Doug and Bill. Steve (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I guess it would be a mess, wouldn't it? It's just my inclination on ng organization would be to put all the ml-ng's together in one place. Not a topical sort, but a functional one. But that doesn't work well when trying to connect existing (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <36a6c04d.53070399@l...et.com>... (...) do (...) I conclude that a lack of an obvious need for something _is_ a reason not to do that something. If I have 10 bucks and someone says "place a bet with me... if you win I (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I meant, sometimes non-obvious needs exist even when no obvious needs exist. And sometimes when neither obvious nor non-obvious needs can be identified, something can still be worth doing. Most "needs" that people identify with started out as (...) (26 years ago, 21-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message (...) exist. OK, I see what you mean. (...) obvious (...) easier (...) 1950? (...) I don't dispute that this happens, but if this you subscribe to this argument then you should agree that it can just as easily go the (...) (26 years ago, 22-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yup -- works both ways! Trick is to identify as much good & bad up front as reasonably possible. (...) My favorite thing about separate ng's is the mood & time thing -- plow through certain groups quickly, then go back and read other ones as (...) (26 years ago, 22-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would say that my reasons are purely "socio-political". I would like a clear separation of developer and user discussions on the topic of LEGO CAD. Now that I see how people actually use l-cad and lugnet.cad, I think it makes most sense to (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Good, but I would prefer a slightly higher treshold to enter the LEGO CAD developer discussions. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: Jacob.Sparre.Andersen@risoe.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- LEGO: MOC+++c TO+++(6543) TC+++(8880) (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would say "muddied up". (...) TLG and their software developers know about the list and participate in a constructive way. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: Jacob.Sparre.Andersen@risoe.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- LEGO: (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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om> Distribution: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Todd listed two improvements we could get by moving L-CAD to Lugnet: (...) I look forward to get them. (...) Me too. (...) Yes. Will you put a suggestion together? Here's a start: We suggest that (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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com> <F5xCnx.H9L@lugnet.com> Distribution: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] (...) I would not just _gateway_ the list. I would _move_ it. At the same time we could split it in two; one for development questions and one for user questions. (...) (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) [...] (...) The address list is available to anybody (execept for a few anonymous subscriptions). (...) I had forgotten about that. [...] (...) I think I can manage that. A few messages may have been lost, but I am pretty sure I have most of (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Mailing list subscriptions per se can be automagically moved if someone can come up with an address list. It will be best to have the address list in place first before the new newsgroup is created, so that the Terms of Use can be mailed out (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman (lehman@javanet.com) wrote: [...] (...) It might. My main problem is that I think you aren't supposed to have groups placed in other groups, only in "categories". (...) Yes. (...) lugnet.cad.general follows the style from other Lugnet (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Assuming this happens, the safest way is probably to re-inject all of the articles into the new ng, rather than actually renaming it. Then after that, the old group can be blown away. The process of re-injecting, however, is tricky with (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I agree with the first, not so sure about the second. I'm not enough of an ng purist to require that a cad.developers group requires an equivalent cad.users group. Steve (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sure. If you will mail them out (assuming you have an easy & efficient way to paste all of the subscribers' e-mail addresses into a message. Otherwise, let's wait until L-CAD is back online). (...) I don't agree here. To me, "users" implies (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) [...] (...) No. Whenever the depth of a hierachy on Usenet is extended, the original group is terminated, and a .misc group is created to handle what's not put in other groups. The problem is that some servers don't notice it, when newsgroups (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) [...] (...) I have, but we can just as well wait - and work on the suggestion until then. (...) Todd has got me away from the lugnet.cad.users idea. Lets keep the plain lugnet.cad for the general stuff. I don't like to use the name l-cad for (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I've heard that too. :) I don't think it's a Good-Thing/Bad-Thing thing. Note that sub-groups of real groups are a way of life in the lugnet.loc.* hierarchies -- and it's an important property of their usage. But sub-groups of real groups also (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman (lehman@javanet.com) wrote: [...] (...) Yeees, I get the point. I was wrong. <grumph> ;-( [...] (...) nn, I think - a rather new version (showed up on one of the university machines approximately half a year ago). Play well, Jacob (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Even if that were true (which it isn't; you can find zillions of examples where there is a.b.c & a.b.c.d and no a.b.c.misc), isn't it silly to require that a new group a.b.c.misc be created to replace a perfectly working group a.b.c? Anyway, (...) (26 years ago, 25-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Apart from .l-cad being a legacy thing, both CAD and LEGO are there twice in the full expansion of lugnet.cad.l-cad: l u g net . cad . l - cad | | | ||| ||| | ||| LEGO Users Group Network CAD LEGO CAD So maybe it's a little bit redundant. :) (...) (26 years ago, 26-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) i know of one counter-example: Rec.arts.sf.written and rec.arts.sf.written....ert-jordan There is no .misc, and rasfw is a very valid and existing newsgroup. then again, I'm not an experienced newsreader, so there's probably others floating (...) (26 years ago, 26-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) How about these real candidates for the lugnet.cad.* hierarchy? lugnet.cad Unchanged, except for possible loss of content to groups below lugnet.cad.dat Unchanged lugnet.cad.dev.parts Parts development and publishing lugnet.cad.dev.apps (...) (26 years ago, 26-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Steve Bliss (blisses@worldnet.att.net) wrote: [...] (...) Yup! [...] (...) L-CAD will just _change_ it's name to "lugnet.cad.parts" or whatever we can decide on. (...) Terry's work will probably be noticed more, but I don't expect the procedure to (...) (26 years ago, 27-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Steve Bliss wrote in message <36adb6d8.922755@lugnet.com>... (...) I like the lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dat, and lugnet.cad.dev heirarchy best. If we ever got to the point where lugnet.cad was getting a hundred post a day, it might make sense to (...) (26 years ago, 27-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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