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Re: Why not Both?
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
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> > Science admidts to progressively understand things, and when new
> > evidence is presented it changes it's theory on that matter. Supposed
> > disagreements are only due to a lack of data on science's part. The Bible,
> > however, does not claim to re-interpret itself. It's the "God is infinite"
> > point again - He doesn't need to since He was accurate in the first place.
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> Here you've spelled out very nicely why science is not a religion, and
> religion is not a science. Thank you.
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> > Unfortuantely, our nihilistic, relative society has convinced itself that
> > there is nothing sure, that all is relative. That bias has blinded many to
> > the fact that there is a God who is sure and absolute, and whom we can trust
> > absolutely.
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> Is that Odin? Brahma? Zoroaster? Allah? Yahweh? Who? And why? This
> question has been asked countless times, and no one here (or anywhere,
> really) has answered it. Once again, as in previous threads, you're throwing
> around the "blind" insult in an apparent attempt to browbeat the heathen
> into acceptance.
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> > Not all knowledge is relatively, interpretively, progressively learned.
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> Interesting. You're describing satori, the condition of understanding
> as-a-whole, without acquiring of awareness step by step. A very solid goal
> of Zen Buddhism.
If you want to create a Christianity vs other religions discussion we could do
that. Not sufficient time for me. Here too - I'm merely stating the literal
biblical interpretation. I'm not comparing / contrasting it with other
religions, I'll leave that for a later debate or someone else.
Not that I couldn't - I just don't have the time.
-Jon
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| (...) Here you've spelled out very nicely why science is not a religion, and religion is not a science. Thank you. (...) Is that Odin? Brahma? Zoroaster? Allah? Yahweh? Who? And why? This question has been asked countless times, and no one here (or (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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