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Re: Why not Both?
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> Taking points one at a time?
> Indeed another difference between us mayap :)
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
> > If you are indeed the creation - what right do you have to demand that?
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> Just to be picky, what's a right? :)
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> But honestly, what 'right' DO I have according to Biblical beliefs? Do I
> have a 'right' to salvation? Do I have the 'right' to DEMAND the opportunity
> for salvation from God, as the creation? Would God be WRONG to deny me such?
> And if we have no such rights, then so what? Where does that leave us?
Biblically - no human has any rights.
Just like the laptop that doesn't work (sin), God's righteousness (no sin)
demands that we pay for our sin. The only sufficient payment is death.
Where that "leaves us" - is destined for eternal separation from God -
punishment (hell)- if we choose it.
But therin lies the fascinating thing about God - while He is perfectly
righteous, He's also perfectly loving.
He's solved our sin problem - and paid the price for our sins Himself, when we
couldn't.
That's the basic Biblical interpretation.
-Jon
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| (...) And really, here's where we get to the problem as I personally regard it. Why? Because for me, in order for me to have faith in a universalist religious system, things like morality (sins, etc) must be dealt with fairly. For me. I think I went (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Taking points one at a time? Indeed another difference between us mayap :) (...) Because I trust my judgement, and I don't trust the Bible's. The two don't mesh. For me. And as a result, I'm forced to choose. And I'll choose my judgement. Go check (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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