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Re: Why not Both?
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > But I have to admit I'm baffled. Christians who defend literal creationism
> > as scientifically plausible (more probable than alternative explanations)
> > seem to be in a small minority. Members of splinter sects, even. Most
> > christians instead say that god, creation, and everything are fundamentally
> > unexplainable and that we should take things on faith.
>
> (just picking a nit)
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> I disagree... in my experience most christians only hold that God is
> fundamentally unexplainable. Creation and everything are currently
> unexplained, and may well be unexplainable, but that's not going to stop us
> from trying. :)
Point taken but to continue splitting this particular hair, I agree with
"everything" but not "creation" except inasmuch as the explanation is "god
created (the starting point of) the universe", which is fine, since it's no
better or worse an explanation than scientific theories have offered except
for the extra level of regress.
That is, many christians agree with the apparent age of the earth, with
natural processes doing a lot of things, etc. and see the laws/constants of
the universe themselves as something that god set up.
I've read SF in which every alternate universe has slightly different
fundamental constants. Brin has a great story, "the Practice Effect" on that
line...
++Lar
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| (...) I've been thinking along those lines too due to this thread, and recalled a "Raft" by Stephen Baxter in which gravity is much stronger than in our universe. If I remember correctly it was quite a good read, although I'm not a good enough (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) (just picking a nit) I disagree... in my experience most christians only hold that God is fundamentally unexplainable. Creation and everything are currently unexplained, and may well be unexplainable, but that's not going to stop us from (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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