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(...) So in Iraq, the majority of people want to do something but they can not. In the US, the majority of people can do something but they do not want to. My head hurts. I guess it is as Eisenhower said: "A country that values its privledges above (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A dodge? You mean you don't want to explain your bunker-buster comment, tell us what the USA's official response to SH gassing his own people was, why you want to view Iraq in isolation or even what is “all Britain's fault”? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that is bad. But how about imprisoned with all of your attorneys? (URL) about jailed without bail, right to an atty, or the possibility of a writ of habeas corpus? I'll leave it to Larry P. to provide the cites should the need arise (you (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, now that I think about it, has the M1A1 been used in combat anywhere *except* desert terrain? Regardless of Desert Storm Part Deux, I suppose a case could be made for sand camo as the "default" color for that kit. Tamiya's had a nice (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.build.military)
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Unfortunatly it looks like the link wraped so copying and pasting will be nessecary. (URL) interesting article. Especially considering he recognizes Bush's real motivation. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Debate?! Bah! You're only sending it there because you're afraid to face me on my home turf of ot.clones! Dave! (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) the gatekeepers never learn? Get out of the way! My latest cd purchases included stuff by Lydia Lunch, Medieaval Baebes, Lou Reed, Poe, Tim Buckley, and Murder Inc. Did I need the radio, MTV, VHI, or the music press (such as it is) to locate (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not quite, but that would nice. :) The quote above only tells us that Bruce is against a "unilateral attack on Iraq", not that Bruce does not share Bushes selfish unilateral outlook as far as the wider world is concerned. The difference is (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just ignore him. We both now he'll never concede anything. The guy has no shame. Bruce (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think that this political group can use LEGO(tm) to express their ideas without restriction as long as they follow the same rules that AFOL's do. They must avoid the LEGO brand name and trademarks. They should be careful to state that there is no (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I did. My point is that SH's track record can't be looked at in isolation.... he is of our making. He is trying to develop WoMD - that's bad. But what gives Bush, the president of a country with a colourful WoMD track record, a right (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are you looking for, certain verbiage? Come off it. Chris (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool! I think it's a neat political message. The only problem is that lumber and cement are so much cheaper that I'd expect them to be able to actually build several houses for the poor with the money they'll be spending on LEGO. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The irony of that analogy is that some Argentinean farmers are selling their produce overseas in order to get more $$, the result is growing malnutrition. There was a really good piece in the Observer yesterday about the winners and losers in (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not how I view it. (...) You did not "specifically" say you don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I missed this. Is this really the best you can do? Are you saying that only "7.5 thousand pound bunker busters" were dropped and that airmen did not have to fly at altitude to avoid the Stingers the USA had given to the Afghans? Is this (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I'm not aware we did? What was the USA's official response? How did it act? Educate me. I’m genuinely interested. Scott A (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <sarcasm alert! :-) > (...) While I agree with the above, I think Dan might referring more to the fact that this model is being released in desert camo (gee, for use where?), then that it's a military model that is well done and meeting the (...) (22 years ago, 30-Sep-02, to lugnet.build.military, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bricks, yes. But what if the bricks are recognised as "LEGO" by anyone in the country? Does it affect the brand name? (...) My point is there, precisely; LEGO is a universal brand, and like "Coke", it can be used to describe a range of (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my opinion, bricks are long enough in the tooth to be considered more of a "medium of expression" rather than just a toy. A mere brick is pretty dull in and of itself. When you break it down, a single brick is not much of anything -- it's (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, I think the subject line sums it all up, but here goes the story, plus introduction: One year ago, if I were to buy a house in Portugal, I might ask for a loan with bonified interest (partially paid by the state), because I'm not yet 25 and (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you don't want to admit that there is anything wrong about your debating techniques, which is the real thing I'm objecting to. The subject is just the medium. This is now the third time I've pointed this out (all three contained (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant, its not my perception that you "don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook". BTW: Where did you "specifically" say you don't? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not my perception. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm more partial to Lakeesha than Shirly. (looking at ground and aimlessly kicking rocks)....ummmmm...no, I meant it in a bad way... :-O Bruce (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I am mis-reading you hear (or maybe you mis-read me.) Last time I checked, if I publicly announce I do not like my government 'leaders', I will not be publicly executed later that day. However that is standard in most Arab countries. The (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, you meant that labeling of uncle Thomas in a "good way", surely? <G,D&R> (whoops, didn't mean to call you a Surely. Or a Nancy either, for that matter) <runs farther> (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thomas Sowell appears regularly in the Orange County Register, a paper that doesn't even make a pretense at balance (like Sowell) and is wall-to-wall right wing. The only good thing about Sowell is that he enjoys labeling anyone he disagrees (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an egregiously qualified freedom at best, right? The fact that it is worse for others doesn't make your/our situation any better; it is only better by comparison. -- Hop-frog (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Did anyone hear Marketplace yesterday? There was this one segment on the protest against the IMF taking place in D.C. What caught my attention was the shift in who was to blame for economic hardship. The example or Argentina was raised. Argentina (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know that they are of less concern but rather at the oppisite end of the spectrum. I was more concerned with the discription than the conclusions the author drew. (...) guns. (...) Well I have the silly notion that the United Nations (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well in my local newspapers it is easy to find liberal propaganda, so reading aritcles full of conservative propaganda (which seems much harder to find) is good for balace. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) think there are *some* of the ivory tower types that the author suggests, but they are certainly of less concern than people in the privileged Bush mold. Being privileged because of education is not that same as being privileged because of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks Mike. Interesting article. That source has a lot of columnists (1), here's another one: (URL) a perspective on how to decide whether someone stands trial in civilian court, stands trial before a military tribunal, or just gets locked up (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well kind of anyway. I don't really agree with everything in this article but most of it seems right on to me. (URL) is an opinion peice written by Thomas Sowell. As of posting the link refers to the September 18, 2002 article. Agree or disagree it (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) The fact that someone had their fundamental rights of; freedom of speech, freedom to peacefully assemble, and freedom to peacefully protest, and there was no public outcry. There was no major news coverage. It is just disgusting. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you *would* bother to attack somebody? I wouldn't, so yes, we are in disagreement. So much for your holier than thou stance. (and by "bother" it was pretty darn clear I was refering to attacking Iraq, so let me anticipate your mindless (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I seem to have missed the explanation of what exactly angered you about the subject? I thought it was a good pointer. Chris (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) Yes it was, but I am rather tired of hearing the Democratic propaganda that Gore won the popular vote. Shouldn't we be worring about the Republican propaganda that Bush was legitimately elected? See there is a paradox if I ever saw (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What part of this is becoming a Monty Python routine didn't you understand? The automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person said isn't an argument. You offer no support for your statements, while you leave support for mine right there (I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am. Didn't you get the memo? Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's actually my stance as well, but I didn't all my facts straight before posting, so I figured I'd simply address the logical problems of Mike's assertion. Michael Moore, who admittedly sometimes clings too dearly to erroneous information, (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, so it's redundant. I just like the tongue-twister aspects, as Larry noted. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, Ill submit to judgment by my peers. Maybe we should run a "Who is the most self-righteous" poll? ;-) Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could it ever be otherwise? Who is actually righteous? =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, I can't say that I think it was even close. The election was stolen pure and simple. We are no longer the country we think we are, and we probably haven't been for quite some time. I know -- I keep trying to be optimistic that things (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I specifically said I don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. I'm critical of your axe-grinding, slanted presentations, and sanctimonious self-righteousness, but not always with your actual positions. Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's the snopes link: (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? I think you might mean that I am more concerned with the fate of Americans at war than others. If that's right, then I guess I do agree. Not so much on a philosophical level as on a gut reaction level. One random stranger is (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are misrepresenting me. (...) I think you are wrong to feel safer. (...) Have I ever said they should be left in place? (...) No. Did I say that? (...) I'm not avoiding anything, you are jumping to conclusions and putting words in my (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find that comment a little full of "self-righteousness". :) Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...but you (& Chris) do share Bush's unilateral outlook to some degree, that is what I don't agree with. Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're accepting Bush's victory, even though it, too, was well within the margin of error. Are you familiar with the notion of "special pleading?" (...) As "first stones" go, I find this phrase particularly offensive. For quite a while you (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) I don't see how it matters. I suspect he would have done largely the same stuff in Afghanistan, but not be threatening Iraq. But really, who can know? It doesn't need to be that Gore would be doing anything different for us to think (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh for crying out loud. The "popular majority" that Gore supposedly won by was a smaller percentage than Bush won in florida, and well within the margin of error. Seriously, does anyone think Gore would be doing much different than Bush right (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) I'll forward it off to one of my WW newsgroups! By the way, wasn't that 2 hours last night great?? Toby, Josh and Donna lost, trying to get back to DC... Whoever said that WW uses (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) There--in case we ferget in the future, we can fall back on one of these... Dave K. (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a trick of equivocation, I admit. I was making a joke at the expense of "our" "duly" "elected" "President!" (...) A big one, IMO! I'd love to see someone try to exploit it, but that would be as good as forfeiting the race, since it would (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. Chris (did I forget the smiley?) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) All of them. War is hell. Chris (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more that two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more that once." (...) I guess that's (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> I really don't know if I should post this link, first of all 'cause of the bad language factor, and it has to do with a little video game I play (yeah, my other hobby that takes (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, stand in front of a mirror and say "Scott's santimonious self-righteousness" three times fast. (...) "n", "m"... Sound about the same and not a lot of difference pictorially(1). Just one hump. And whats just one hump between friends, I ask (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't read all the way through. Does it say how it's going to handle off shore SPAM? Most of the SPAM I receive fits into one of three categories: - e-mail from services I've signed up for (i.e. not really SPAM) - off shore - notifications (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, that's how it started. I even pointed out that many of my answers were hardly serious, or not even necessarily my own viewpoint. I just thought Scott's santimonious self-righteousness need a bit of puncturing. (...) Tymbrimi. No "n". (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose it is obvious to everyone except Scott, but I'm not defending U.S. actions to any particular degree, I'm just objecting to Scott's axe-grinding and one-sided presentations. And I'm a liberal! I hate Bush. I don't like Israel's (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I agree!! Dave K -who is making his manilla folder bigger by the minute! (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're a Tymbrini, there's got to be a practical joke coming here soon before we get to the denoument of this thread. :-) I can hardly wait! Speaking of practical jokes, did you ever notice that "Tymbrini" contains "Brin"? That has to have (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Notice how you never answer questions? That you just shift to a new attack? Iraq is not a destablizing force? Just say yes or no for once, and *then* append your explanations instead of this constant dodging. (...) Actually, yes, but not as (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, "He who mentions Hitler first has lost the argument". Go right ahead! :-) Scott, c'mon. Stop and look at your answer. Here I accuse you of grinding an axe against the United States, and all you do is try to sharpen it further. Who do you (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You zany understator! Ignoring for a moment the question of the polling machines (ie, modern, well-maintained machines in largely republican districts and archaic, run-down machines in largely democratic districts) I don't have the info in (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It all boils down to how many lives would have been saved/lost, and what value you put on them. If OBL comes back to annoy us, that will have to be put in the equation too. As will any moderate Muslim backlash. How many Afghan lives is 1 (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, calm your jets there Chris--my whole post was rather in a humourous vein and was light hearted... I know your issues for your fractured voting system. I seem to recall that after the Florida fiasco, that someone went back and recounted, (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? There was an election, the results were certified, challenged in court, and allowed to let stand. You may not agree with all the various court decisions made by various courts(1) but it's a bit of a stretch to say he was appointed, ne? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Depends how he handles Desert Storm II; the first propaganda exercise didn't win a re-election for Dad (though the rest of his cabinet was reinstated in 2000, of course). Here's a puzzle for the Constitutionally-aware among us: Since W was (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That, and that this was apparently the action of a local law enforcement officer... (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Another term"?!? We didn't even vote him in for a SINGLE term! Dave! Comin' at ya from behind the chain link fence! (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You aren't listening! We didn't vote him in in the first place. Surely in his current position, he will be able to rig the vote using even more convincing tactics. We'll have him for _at least_ another four years. (I wonder how much republican (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) danger (...) about? (...) troops. (...) I wanted to insert a comment. I'm agreeing with Bruce by and large in this thread (because he doesn't _at all_ seem to be defending the US' naughtiness) but on this one point, I knew exactly what Scott (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) btw, if I haven't said it yet... I do hope that you and your fellow citizens do not vote this person in for another term. Yeah, you're stuck with 'im for another few years but then "vote the incompotent iggit outta office!!--send 'im (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ship 'em to Canada--we have folks who throw pies 'n stuff into the faces of our politicians, 'specially the PM :) Signs--baah! I'd have put a banner across the street! ;) Reading thru these two articles, looks like the police chief is falling (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) a followup here and elsewhere: (URL) suppose that the sign-carriers can take comfort in the fact that at least they weren't shipped to Cuba... Dave! (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...for how much of his track record did he have the support of the ‘West’? Did we act when he started gassing his own people? Was Bush Sr not willing to let his invasion of Q8 go with only mild rumblings until Thatcher convinced him (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shall I compare Bush to Hitler? The fact that some of what Bush Jr suggests the USA should do is against international law should be enough. (...) I’ll tell you what, you show me which facts you think I am omitting. (...) You mean I did not (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who has the biggest gun, perhaps? Cheers Richie (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Logic" classes. It badly plagiarizes the popular but flawed "justified true belief" definition for knowledge, Venn diagrams which bastardize the law of excluded middle, and that stupid verse about the bear dancing. It shows a distaste for the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: For Those That *Don't Get* the 2nd Amendement (was Re: Those stupid liberal)
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(...) I'm not sure what the greater crime is; the fact that they happily relinquished a civil liberty, or the fact that they are not likely going to get it back. (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One would hope that these outlandish drug laws might be coming to an end... (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, perhaps there is no resolution -- we certainly have more than one instance of bad law, bad stare decisis, coming down from the high court...and it does annoy. The court has, in particular, been guilty of making bad law that is in the way (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, I didn't know any of that, thanks for sharing and for providing those spring-board links. (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not that ambiguous I'd hoped. I was just being evil. In part, I quoted something from the last day or so of this newsgroup's postings -- I'd not want to call it out in particular beyond what I have done. In the main, I think your purpose and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If you have questions about the test, READ THE BOOK it was originally published in, or one of the others (see note). Go to a library. It's good for you. The terms used in the test are defined in the book. The type indicator is not a general theory (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree. I can see someone looking at the example with the company buying the half-million dollar purchase, commenting on how obviously absurd it was to consider it "reasonable", and then going ahead and making the same mistake without a 2nd (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) like this idea (without having analysed it very closely, it may have holes). (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But not always, regrettably. Yes, I agree. It is good to be able to remind people that debate involves reason or it isn't debate. Interesting discussion perhaps but not debate. We have a number of high quality debaters here and I think we all (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. I think that this is the exact crux of the problem. I confess that I am not as well-read on this subject as my peers here, but a lot of what I've read identifies the first clause of the amendment as the vital part. I can't get too deep (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic here, or not. Certainly mocking, but your target is ambiguous. If you honestly feel the link I posted is worse than useless, why not just say so? James (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? I don't get it. So, like a chess game, after a certain number of similar moves, it must end. I'm done here. O wait, you mean I wasn't playing chess? It wasn't clever or interesting? It wasn't even a stalemate? I don't even know what I am (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here is the quote part: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This could just as easily read: Because a free state must protect itself (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It makes a handy and compelling virtual stick to beat unreasonable people with? And at times, pretty much everyone in here is guilty of unreasoning. Certainly the strong disconnect between reasons and conclusions has been observed here, in (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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