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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Guo8A8.3J7@lugnet.com... (...) probably (...) edge of (...) refugees (...) the (...) the (...) 6-day (...) that (...) shantytown (...) Independence (...) the land (...) Quite a bit of video (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since I have never been to your land, a comparison to the BBC would be helpful for me since I do have some sense where they fall into place. So I guess one could say that these people live either actually at war, or in a de facto state of war, (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is from my memory, so don’t recite too loudly! Dan Jassim probably could give your question more justice. I have never visited but… I think the short answer is "both". On the edge of the town of Jenin exists a refugee camp which has probably (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's sort of both. Jenin was originally a town. The refugee camp was built next to the town decades ago, and has slowly evolved into a town itself. According to my understandment of the recent events, it was the refugee camp (which is more (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) camp, a town, a camp-within-a-town, a town-within-a-camp, or something else? I ask because I've heard it referred to alternatively as any of the above, so I'm unclear of what sort of area is at stake. That doesn't in any way reduce the loss (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I guess it is only now that the press is getting access: (URL) read Suzanne Goldenberg's report. She describes the camp as "a vast expanse of rubble": (URL) A (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for jumping in, HopFrog. And sorry to Richard Noeckel. My fault - I mixed up the two names.... Kind Regards, Ben (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, Ben, I think you mean me -- I used the word first. There are two Richards underfoot at this point -- the best way to tell the difference between us is that the other Richard is younger and better looking than I am. =oP -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry Richard, English is not my mother tongue. So why did I use the word greed here? As a matter of fact I have not used that word since ever - I had to look into my dictionary to cheack the meaning of "greed". I only have used this word, (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, perhaps it is. Ben is E2L(1), please keep that in mind, and sometimes that causes misunderstanding. Reading over your words and his, I don't find that much disagreement, believe it or not. (I'm in the camp that's glad any time Lego, in (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, I could easily see myself buying one for the sheer desire to actually get my hands on something so phenominal I never had a chance to acquire. I think desire is a better word. (...) I've never seen anyone who hordes yelloe castle parts, (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Greed? GREED?? G R E E D?!?!?! Whoa… maybe you look @ the hobby in a different manner that I. But ‘Greed’ isn’t a term I'd apply to my ‘yearning’ for a 375. ~Perhaps your word usage is flawed? I don’t see anything gluttonous, or insatiable (...) (22 years ago, 16-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.castle, lugnet.general)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GuJFqI.KG9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) airplanes (...) interesting (...) (URL) whilst there have been countless documentaries about the attack on the twin towers (which I guess is (...) (22 years ago, 14-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A list I get mail from was having a little fun with this site, some of the listers were rather amused at the whole presumptuousness of making airplanes disappear. I have no idea what to think, myself, but found it interesting reading. You might too. (...) (22 years ago, 14-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I posted this first in legoland.california, but realised there doesn't seem to be much traffic there. So thought I would try my luck here too. Coming to California this summer. Just booked the flights to San Diego Any hotel recommendations for San (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The fact that these attacks are suicide attacks is irrelevant. The issue is the deliberate and unjustifiable killing of civilians. (...) What do padres promise your country’s troops as they go into battle? Hell and damnation? I think not! (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly are these warriors promised from the afterlife? How is their belief about the ultimate sacrifice different than our own? Many Americans have made suicidal attacks "in the line of honor." How and why is it different? I think that (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) In our culture, we are mostly brought up to believe that life is precious and that suicide isn't a viable option. We are shocked and dismayed when people kill (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and agree with you. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you. Fredrik (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm...I think these are all very closely related ideas. Yes, debate has a specific meaning -- but classically, formal arguments are comprised of appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos. To use non-greek terms, a formal argument appeals to one's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, do NOT do that! My post was to try to clear up some confusion on my part (and perhaps others) on where you are coming from, and build a new basis for constructive dialog. If you take away from that the idea that I'm thinking you should not (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The charter of the group reads as follows: "lugnet.off-topic.debate– Off-topic (non-LEGO®) discussions: debates, controversies, etc." Although it's called .debate, I had always thought that there was room for open personal discussions within (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allan Bedford writes: <snip> I'm starting to realise something... Maybe should have realised it sooner. Perhaps we need a disclaimer from you. (or you from us) If I get the sense of what I snipped away, what you do when (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess if loose can mean _very_ loose then it's still OK. You were suggesting a difference in status between conversation and hobby-research but to me they're the same thing. I talk about the things I'm thinking about. That's research of a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I guess I didn't realize that the phrase wasn't meant to be taken at face value. From the way I read it here, you were gathering commentary and opinions in some loose research project. The same way that 'hobby farming' actually (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We were. That's all. I'm not categorizing your responses and writing papers. It's just a hobby of mine to explore what people think about education. I used the phrase "hobby-research" a single time in a throwaway comment. Such a comment does (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point I was trying to make to Christopher was that I didn't realize the debate had turned into a research project. I just thought we were talking about the importance of reading. As it was, I wasn't exactly sure what he was driving (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said something to that effect a couple of days ago. It's funny -- I consider myself a complete amature when it comes to statistics. I'm comfy applying and analyzing stats to social-science kind of situations and I can use SAS, SPSS, or (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was more of a hyperbole, really, and sort of a nod to your superior grasp of statistics. Anyway, I'm sure most of our disagreements are merely online--I think in the real world our views would be much more compatible. (...) See? That's my (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See ya, you'll be missed. (...) I think that good stuff happens here amid the bad. I think that debate happens. I have changed my mind more than once due to discussion on this newsgroup. I place such a premium value on having that happen that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the direction of Bush's statements. Bush's has earlier expressed an attitude of understandment towards the Israeli military actions, which appears to have gone by now. Bush's statements may be a result of his need for continued Arab (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The situation is indeed very complicated. So I don't understand why you present views which are, in my opinion, very simplified and black-and-white. Fredrik (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh. 95%? I didn't know it was so high. It seems like the only way you could really disagree with me that much was to have incredibly middle of the road views. I mostly radical stances but in all "directions." Is that how you would (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Until this thread came up, your own postings here were pretty scant. It was quite wonderful. "Thanks for making this a better place! ;)" Chris (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think that every single assertion in this note is incorrect. I'm not sure that I've ever seen that happen before. Oh, no...I was wrong. The first two sentences are reasonable. Chris (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do hope that you'll choose to clarify this. Not only because I'd be interested to hear what was "scary" about Richard's note but also because I think that to whatever extent you occupy an administrative role, throwaway comments like this (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is, isn't it? And to think Savimbi might have gained credits for establishing peace... Too bad for him. :-/ (...) Yes and no. Yes, because obviously we are an interested party in Angolan stability or instability; But no, because peace sells (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to know what were the stated war aims. IMO, all statements on that issue were too vague to be comprehensible. :-/ And frankly, this conflict still does not fit my definition of "war". Maybe "intervention" is more like it. And there is (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have not read his speech in detail yet, but I must admit I was impressed with some of what he had to say. Particularly his mention of pre-1967 borders. Scott A (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I heard the statements (1) made in the Angolan parliament last night on the BBC. I really hope that this does turn into a lasting peace. I was amazed to hear that the agreement established in 1994 is what this is all based on. It is astounding (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall have to change my question! You may consider it a "victory", but which of the *stated* war aims have been met? ;) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US took control of a route to Central Asian Oil and Gas fields that does not pass through Russia nor Iran? Particularly interesting, when we know Bush has personal interests in this sector. Pedro (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I, for one, could use some clarification here. I certainly had no intention of offending anyone of any culture or race or etc. I am for peace. I do not see myself as favoring either side in violence. If my "Romeo and Juliet" solution seemed in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the seventh day of the major Israeli offensive, this message is finally given: <URL: (URL) > Let's hope this aid in bringing peace to the region. Fredrik (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The "need" for OT.Debate has often been discussed, and good points have been raised both pro and con. I suppose the bottom line is that OT squabbles will arise in most of the LUGNET discussion groups as a matter of course, so it's helpful to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me either. I suspect it has some relation to peoples' upbringing. As a child, you're taught what's acceptable to say, and what's not. You quickly learn what words will pass, and what words will result in getting a bar of soap inserted in your (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I value your contributions; I hope you change your mind in the very near future. I'm sure others agree with me. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Folks, I am going to bow out of off-topic.debate. Please feel free to call me on it should I come back. This forum seems utterly useless. I don't see any real debate going on. I see people holding intractable positions and when I try and find a (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) thanks for the reminder. I was breaking my own rule here, but I'll just have to try harder. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) <snip> Larry, That's correct. I (and others) cured you of your need to engage in name-calling and mudslinging in this group. It's just my view, but I think this group is better because you no longer post here in the manner you once did. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read again Dan: "After Israeli helicopters and tanks bombarded a security compound in Ramallah for nearly 24 hours, a government spokeswoman announced the capture of just six wanted Palestinian militants. There was no sign that the house to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're wasting your breath. Careful you don't fall into the same trap that I did, so many times before. (but which I think I'm mostly cured of, now... time will tell) Fail to ignore him at your peril. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) so when you said that "to date, there have been *6* militants arrested" you meant to say "in that one attack", ah. Also, I really haven't heard of any towns "reduced to smouldering wrecks" - I guess I don't read the same sources you do. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By building 34 settlements in the past year? (...) By firing missiles into residential areas? (...) I don't see much of this "tolerance". (...) Indeed. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The front page of The Guardian (not an infotainment channel). The online version: (URL) far, the onslaught has produced few tangible results for Israel while reducing Palestinian towns to smouldering wrecks, penning tens of thousands in their (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder where you get your information from? please share... "Through late Wednesday, the IDF said it had arrested about 1,100 Palestinians in the West Bank over the last couple of days, including many "wanted Palestinians." The Israeli (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The interesting point about a Jewish "homeland", is that at the turn of the last centaury a large tract of Argentina was being considered seriously. Scott A (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Israelis are trying to encourage the "desire for power" by isolating Arafat. Just the same as they did when they helped establish Hamas to rival the PLO in ‘88. (...) Desperation for what? More land? A western lifestyle? Shopping Malls? (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The situation in the Middle East is complicated. Both sides have points to be made and complaints that deserve a hearing. But there are stark differences between the two – and these differences paint a clear picture of who wears the black hat (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) so you're not saying that what I quoted was wrong, just that they were missing some info? perhaps. BTW, that attack in '53 is taught today, still, in IDF basic training as an example of an "illegal command", which a soldier is not allowed to (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm with you on that Dan. jt (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: this is one of the scariest, most disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET. (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What motivates people to be offended by a word? I sincerely don't get it. Racial epithets offend me if they're being seriously issued, but it's the idea, not the word. In the example of "crap" below, it seems clear that the person is actually (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most people might agree. Why do they need a homeland? I'm leaning toward believing that the very notion of 'homeland' is a divisive instrument. Maybe we should seek to eliminate that idea globally. (...) I think that terror is a tool (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) money, or even how many bombers were motivated by it. I really doubt it is a deciding factor when you are forced to give up land your family has lived on for generations to house economic refugees from Eastern Europe. Israel is also rewarded (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) their attack on the Jordanian village of Qibya in ‘53. The day after the attack a UN observer said that the IDF had forced civilians to stay in their homes whilst they were demolished around them. 69 civilians were killed - over half of them (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but the USA is so biased that its endeavors would be seen as possibly self-interested. Trust would be better placed in a third party that is strong enough to be immune to US strongarming. best LFB (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A little monetary incentive helps too (URL) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, actually I reject the notion that desperation is not a factor in N.I. Peace is one issue, freedom is another. I am not sure I can condone a state of peace maintained at the expense of freedom and self-rule -- is one expected to be happy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess it depends on where you're from. 'Round here it's okay to use as a polite alternative to the other word that begins with "s" (also means feces). Sure, it's harsh critizism to call something "crap", but I don't consider it "dirty" (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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There has been quite a discussion here about the Middle East situation, and since IMO the situation is not due to be resolved anytime soon, I thought of calling your attention to a bit of hope coming from elsewhere on Earth. Angola's civil war will (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) available, it seems so - has this also been verified in past times of conflict? (say '87-'93, for instance) Pedro (just curious, really) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Define "significant", please. 'Cause I can remember *a lot* of peaceful nations that resulted from the acceptance of their independance by a theoretically much stronger enemy, rather than its anihilation. Browse through a map of Europe and you (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) only shows the Israeli casualties though... I don't know where to find the Palestinian side. Also all these are easy to verify (cnn, ruiters), unlike some of the PA claims. Dan (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes indeed, but let's be realistic about it. There are people ALIVE TODAY who participated in atrocities during WWII against people who are ALIVE TODAY, so it's not like this is something we're inferring from the fossil record. For many (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be fair, "they" also identify such a distinction, and "them" ain't "us." I understand your point and agree with it in the abstract, but I think it's a mistake to act as if all distinctions are arbitrary, fleeting, or non-existent--even if (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that desperation is what is driving _most_ of the Palestinians. However, a small number have achieved positions of power (not really Arafat, though he certainly has some power) due to their ability to lead and incite rebellion. These (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) yeah, it's not a situation that can be remedied by sound bites and bandaids.. To add a separate thread of debate -- one thing that has been bothering me as of late is the 'restitution for atrocities that happened in the past' It was wrong for (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And this so-called power gives them what precisely? World attention? It took years for that to happen -- and even now a guy like Arafat is suspected of not having very much real power even with his own people anyway. I remain very unconvinced (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that desperation is an aspect of the Palestinian mindset, however, I really feel that the core of the Palestinian resistance is not acting out of desperation. It is acting out of pure desire for power, based on a power structure which (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! My irrelevance is *always* relevant. I've noticed that Chris' grasp of statistics is stronger than mine, and sometimes his articulations on the subject can muddle my brain a bit (more). Perhaps Allan was suffering a similar verbal (...) (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I agree with all of the above. Nevertheless it's irrelevant. My question really was to Allan, because I honestly didn't understand what it was he didn't understand about what Chris said. (...) Me too. (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are, of course, absolutely correct to point out the difference between correlation and causation, but it must be recalled that statistical data are routinely used by both sides in all kinds of discussions, so Allan can be forgiven for (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In '49 the UN passed a resolution to put Jerusalem under its control. Four days later Israel moved the Knesset there. Scott A (23 years ago, 3-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I’ll admit to being a little irked by this. What has brought about “peace” in NI is the realisation that violence could only get the terrorists groups so far. The IRA (and its Loyalist counterparts) has just as little regard for “rights” (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as I am aware the restaurant was actually Palestinian-Israeli owned. But that makes very little difference. It was still a very cruel act. The difference is that on the Palestinian side there is absolute desperation and some with (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If those were two euro-cents, it would have been me saying it. ;-) I share this oppinion entirely - especially what you say regarding the Chinese stand, I think that is a pretty clever reading of the situation (but then again, China has (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ben: I've ordered from Auld Dragon's Lair 4 times in the past year. I always received feedback within 3 weeks. When I made my last purchase I expected feedback in a timely manner as before. I can understand if Jeff wants to wait 1 year or even 10. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just some super-quick thoughts on this ongoing problem... (...) How can the U.S. send crystal clear messages about aggression when our hands are dirty in Afghanistan? (...) Short-term solutions will not work in this conflict, not that I disagree (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe they tried that. Oslo, and a any other agreement signed - however, agreements don't do much unless both sides do their part. As far as I know, the PA has never actually done anything that it said it would. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, OPEC hasn't been selling oil to Israel since the early 70s, if ever. But I don't have links, so it might just be a misconception of mine. Dan (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder what the future plans of the Israeli government are. Having removed parts of the infrastructure and police force of the PA, they will probably have to put in their own resources for this function in the future. I think that this can (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some OPEC countries want to the restrict oil production to sanction Israel and USA. If they succeed, there may be oil involved this time. I doubt it, though. Fredrik (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting point! However, I think that if there is one nations' government which is respected in Israel, it must be that of the US. Israel, being the strongest part in the conflict, should take the initiative and responsibility (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with some of this. The problem is that the USA has a much louder voice in this due to the $,$$$,$$$,$$$.$$ it gives to Sharon. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find myself disagreeing with that. I have little experience of US printed journalism, but I find the broadcast journalism to be nothing more than "infotainment". It my be a cultural thing(?). (...) Interestingly, I read a quote from "Stupid (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But that is the very nub of this problem. Until Israel, and its apologists, realise that, there can be no hope of peace. Israel has done nothing but stall for time to gain a foothold in the various occupied territories - and that goes right (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I get the sense this is the major point of your argument, and one that I must agree with. My previous arguments were based on *my* experience with the different media. Surely, as you imply, electronic media could be employed differently and in (...) (23 years ago, 2-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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