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(...) That, I suppose, is the problem with the argument that those who deserve will get medical care through charity. You have too much faith in humanity. Jasper (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No kidding? Man, you're weird. (...) And? Nothing wroing with ad hominem attacks, if you can support them properly with your arguments. If they can't, it's just more ammunition to use against them. Win/win situation, really.. Jasper (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There you go again, mixing theory with practice. In _theory_, someone/some committee _with all the information_ making decisions can do better (as measured by the utilitarian principle) than the free market. Much in the same way that in (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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long story:-p Been a little too busy to respond to all of these discussions the last few days, but they are very interesting and I plan to continue next week. Meanwhile, I will have Larry speaking in tongues after this weekend at the train show;-) (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) chooo? (25 years ago, 21-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks, Larry. Scott (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem with that, as I see it, is that some of the most unhappy people I've met also happened to be devout Christians. I can see that trying to live your life for others (and by extension - as Christians would see it - for God) can give (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Keller writes: Got you now. Yes I have seen Airplane twice and I recall the joke now. Quite a good film. Simon (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) matter (...) man (...) just (...) Hmmm - I have to admit to being impressed there. That's about the first time I can ever remember seeing someone write down a reason for gay couples not adopting which sounds vaguely plausible, thought out, and (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) either of the pictures, and no particle accelerators either. (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes and Yes. They sucked. Hackwork and I don't mean that in a nice way. (...) I was ranting on Crichton, not those other hacks, but feel free. (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A little exercise every day should take care of that, Lar. :-P Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Truly a sign of the times. I'm much, much more concerned about throwing away junk snail mail -- and the paper that goes into that waste -- than I am about someone stealing Internet bandwidth and wasting my time. Plus, I'm not too keen about (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.market.jambalaya, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) CP/M, I think. My TRS 80 model 1 which used an OS (called DOS)(1) which was CP/M derived, had it. 1 - once you started running the floppy. Before that you were just in the ROM BASIC interpreter all the time. I had 2 floppies. 11 hundred bucks (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Touché, Paul. (Nice truck, BTW!) But it is still a whole lot better than my old S-10 or a a Geo! Thanks for the correction! Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I started out good. I can't explain it. I actually became bad as an adolescent and I'm back to being a good person - but not really as good as I was when I was a kid. Short of having a temper problem, I was ethically perfect. I never stole, I (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gotcha. Sorry for my density. They were once mountains...biguns too...at least that's what they tell us. (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<37936594.15C0AA85@c...souri.edu> <379414EC.A40DFA0F@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Well, I know there are a bunch of kids being raised as wards of the state instead of with loving (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aquitted, not based on whether he did it or not, but as a message to even the score on racism. (...) Screwed up system doled out a little justice after all. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then;-) (...) Screwed up! Are you (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would that be like if your ex-wife and her boyfriend were murdered, and it looked you did it, so you were tried for murdered, but you were acquitted, and so you got sued for "wrongful death"? Oh, wait; that's OK, because the suit is a *civil* (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The 1000-line limit in LEdit was a programming limitation. Nothing to do with anything evil in the OS, unless you consider lack of virtual memory evil (rather than just bad). Was the 8.3 file format originated with MS or DOS? I thought it was (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Funny, I think people who don't ponder these questions have a small view of this existence. I feel as if you are responding to the totality of religion through the ages, not what *I'm* saying. Please try to shed your prejudice against (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You say this life is meaningless and that you need religion to give your life meaning. You say that you don't know what's after this life. Fine. You are welcome to your small view of this existance and your problems. But I ain't buying what you're (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Based on what else I saw, there's a scary thought. :-) (...) It's the Ozark MOUNTAINS, right? I didn't see anything higher than a slight hill while I was in Springfield. Hence my gibe. (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott: The fact that you and I have to explain what we mean by L and C merely proves the point (which we are in violent agreement on, by the way) that definitions have been skewed all out of recognizability. I have only inconsequentially minor (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A joke from the comedy movie "Airplane!"(1). Something along the lines of "Surely, you must be joking!" "No, I'm not. And stop calling me Shirley!" Not exactly what is said, but that is the idea. -- Terry K -- 1. If you haven't seen it, it is (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ;-) (...) How are you innately good? Is not being good a learned behavior? (...) I know this has been covered elsewhere, but could you distinguish for me the difference between self-interest and selfishness? I agree that selfishness (looking (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) {:-0 Well excuuuse me;-) Didn't know if you were simply toting the party line, or if what you are debating was *yours* (...) If you are referring to zoning laws, then yes. Perhaps it is immoral and flawed, but the obvious benefit outweighs (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, something is better than nothing. Yes, but I'm having a tough time figuring a scenario where no hetereo couples would be available. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, fine. I think a child deserves to have a mother and a father. Doesn't matter how much a man can care for a child, a woman does it differently, in a way a man can't. And vice versa. I guess I never analyzed the reason very closely, it just (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd go along with that. I'm not too happy with the idea of positive discrimination. Occasionally it can bring about benefits if it's applied for a limited period of time - eg. in order to make sure that there are enough members of some group (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) you (...) hetereo (...) that's (...) I believe I asked you to justify what could be inferior about 2 gay men as the head of a family unit, not simply to restate the fact that you believed that :) (...) I can't see any difference - as long as (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd strongly dispute that. Business cycles have been happening for centuries, since long before Governments started interventionist economic policies. To a large extent those interventionist policies in many countries started in response to (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. (...) The Republic of Ireland has always been poorer than Northern Ireland, one of the reasons people in NI want to stay part of the UK. Bombings appeared both sides of the border, just because none have occured in the last year doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You were assuring me that this wonderful democracy works to protect the lives of the citizens, I think. You said "I was talking more of a constitutional democracy, where the people have certain rights (a.k.a. Bill of Rights) and protection (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yes!!! Here's my contribution! (URL) Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm totally lost. Could you clarify, Chris? (I should have gotten more sleep last night!) (...) Isn't a mob rule like 500 people outside a building, for example, demanding a hanging? (...) Most corporations and government agencies do illegal (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To all (Larry & Chris and others); Ugh. Let me see if I can clear up what appears to be people's confusion about me. (...) In today's terms, yes. I think the system needs to be changed, and I don't support income transfer. (...) I would say I am (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Do I smell a troll? (...) I would like to hear the basis for it too. I know that I'm innately good, but I do see an awful lot of seemingly bad people. In many ways I support the LP platform, but I don't think innate goodness is needed for it to (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? I've never been to Springfield (though they do have the region's best wine shop, so I keep meaning to go) but I've looked at maps and I'd think it was inside the range of Ozarks near the Western edge. What do you mean? Most of Southern (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like David Koresh? (...) I think that Mob Rule is where we are now...oh yeah, that is a representative democracy. (...) Fetal testing or murder? Both, I guess. (...) I do not support those things either. But here's how I view the words (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think environmental protection and animal "rights" are harder than defense to privatize. In fact, I think defense is relatively easy. Probably easier than roads. (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you read "Jurassic Park", or "Disclosure"? If you want to rant on a hack, how about Stephen King or that Goosebumps fellow RL Stine? -John (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3792817C.F236D232@voyager.net> <3792A1E5.40255C5D@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I am. You are. In fact I give criteria below. This turns on innate goodness vs. evil, but one germane (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Must be more than one, that's not it. I think it is a single word title that is something similar to "Singularity". It has a picture of a sphere on the cover (and no, it is NOT by that hack, Michael Crichton... his last good book was Andromeda (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You were getting on about how great Europe is compared to the US. My point is that the US economy, having just went through a period of some deregulation, and a period in which a number of new industries sprang up faster than the government could (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) OK, I'd class those as incompetent rather than poor. Not that I'm pedantic at all. (...) Most likely, as I'm good at misunderstanding things like that. It sounded to me as though you were tending towards saying (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't know the name of the author eitehr, but I believe the book was called "Ring of Fire". Great book! (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First, explain to me how 2 gay men "create" a family. Not possible. Unless, you say, if they adopt. In my perfect world, there would be no children for such "couples" to adopt, because orphaned children would be care for by immediate family (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You'll have to pardon my ignorance. I am really trying to understand what you are saying. (...) Ok, I buy that. Who, would you say, determines or is qualified to determine which is superior? (...) I am confused. Are we talking about moral (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks for the link. This whole story (right down to it being set at Brookhaven) sounds eerily similar to an SF story I read where a singularity was formed (complete with an entire universe inside of it) thanks to some very energetic particles. The (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well that certainly explains why the US and Britain diverged so much after WW II, with the US stagnating and Britain going on to happy shiny people ville. Or why the PRC with so many many people and so much land is so much more advanced in its (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(I haven't responded to some points because this posting was getting ridiculously long :) ) (...) You're still putting the emphasis on 'choose' whereas I'm trying to point out that sometimes it's not a question of choice as unsufficient knowledge or (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<3790D4A4.AC909B52@voyager.net> <379164EC.11208B2B@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, you're being inconsistent. Let me summarize the points I'm making again rather than interspersing (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) folly of allowing a (...) owner to open a (...) crime, etc.) (...) That one is possibly a bad example - since arguably if you open a brothel in a residential neighbourhood you are affecting the rights of the people who live around there - (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK - I'll bite on that one. I would agree that the traditional nuclear family as a good foundation on which to build a stable society. However, I can't see any reason why a family with - say - two gay men at its head shouldn't be equally good, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure you can really compare the US economy to Europe's since Europe still doesn't really have a single economy - after all isn't that one of the problems the Euro is having? We've got some countries doing well and some countries not (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Its the end of the world as we know it!! Now if you surounded yourself in a Lego bomb shelter would the ABS provide any protection? Now that being said and kidding aside, being an American I feel that I am probably in the minority of Americans in (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) I say more... Strange quarks are cool. (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We can resist without guns you know, have you heard of the marching season in Ireland - some go through opposition housing estates such as the Orange marches through Catholic estates. Sometimes there is massive resistance of the petrol bomb (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought we was comparing the US Economy to that of Europe's. Ireland's economy is improving because of the peace agreement - money is flooding in because it won't get blown up by terrorist ground strikes. Germany however and to squeeze it's (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The police *must* have had some sense of humor, or why go to the trouble of sending another picture back to the guy? No humor would mean issuing a bench warrant and hauling him in. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Perl rules!
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(...) Well, I think you're not going to find much love for AIX anywhere. (...) Oh my. I personally like the ability to at least have case retained, but can go either way on whether opening a file is case sensitive. But passwords sure as hell should (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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(...) The gov is of the people, by the people and for the people. If that's what the people want, what's wrong with that? By judging their moral judgments, aren't *you* making a moral judgment? (...) Or, if you must walk around naked, don't do it (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Funny, last time I heard that story, the police sent a picture of handcuffs... (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, double jeopardy is where you are _TRIED_ twice for the same offense. I believe that the States Attorney slapped them with both just to cover if the jury cannot find for 3rd Degree Murder, but can find for manslaugter ... Usually murder (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A story like this was on Paul Harvey about 3 months ago ... A mans car sped through a 'photo radar' trap, and he was sent a ticket with the picture of his car ... He then sent in a picture of cash along with the ticket ... The police saw no humor in (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Perl rules!
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(...) Yah, no argument there. I prefer the Windows 4 GUI over almost anything else (1), and I can run a wide range of apps on my NT box. But, I know the difference between reliability and popularity, and for mission-critical apps where down time (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Sproaticus wrote in message ... (...) that (...) born (...) fun (...) My current experience with UNIX is limited to IBM's AIX, but I find it infinitely more painful to use than Windows for some of the following reasons: X-Windows: sorry, in many (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) I don't care if MS is a money-grubbing empire as long as they make great products. The problem I have with it is that they're only making good (not great) products and that, in combination with their monopolistic nature, hurts the other guys (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Free to discriminate however they choose, for any reason or no reason at all. They're not the government. The government, having a de jure monopoly on the initiation of the use of force, is not free to discriminate in any way shape or form. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or if they were in the USA, it would free them up to spend more time in coffee shops and donut shops. Probably give them more chances to bust people for driving while black. (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Assuming we step into Libertopia, and you and Ed shack up, the government ought to treat you no differently than anyone else, right? He can inherit your property when you die, etc. What about corporations? Does ACME Insurance company have to (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Extropianism
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(...) Okay, Lar, I guess I would like to hear why you think goodness is innate? I would think stuff like survival of self would be innate, but that goodness would be a learned trait. We are certainly born innocent but quite selfish to the exclusion (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please. Where would we be if we had nothing but Apple and Steve "I'm a megalomaniac" Jobs to depend on? I remember hearing YEARS ago how superior the Mac was to the PC because at the time all it took to "network" a couple of Macs together was (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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(...) What gives the government the right to discriminate among contracts? It is then making a moral judgement that one sort of free will behaviour non rights damaging behaviour is better than another. Please address this fundamental point. (...) No (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! I *like* seafood! What are you saying, Todd? :-D (...) I know. :-, That's why I chose the platform to pick on. (...) Okay, it's actually starting to make sense. You're morally opposed to the evilness of Windows, not its usefulness. I'm (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) No, not at all! First, I support someone's choice of platform they have chosen to develop for. Second, I understand that MS platforms are the chief money makers in the microcomputer software industry, and that there's a lot to be said for (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) The *government* decides which contracts it will recognize. It has nothing to do with how you want to behave in private. (...) What about Nudists who want to walk around naked in public? Or Copulatists (I made it up-- people who want to be (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take it you have little respect for people who develop on MS platforms for a living...? I'm not sure I should be offended. It can also be argued that Perl on a Mac is equally evil: the OS doesn't even offer a shell, and its file system is (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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Whew. Where to start? (...) It is legislating consensual behaviour. And that's wrong. No avoiding it. (...) True. So what? (...) First off, why does government have a monopoly on sanctioning marriages? Aren't they merely a contract between people? (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If a Democratic government decides (ie the will of the people, the *majority*) to sanction hetereo marriages and not homosexual ones, what's wrong with that? I think a case can be made that the traditional nuclear family is a good foundation (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (heh heh) I think I'm more grossed-out than amused. I'm already grossed out enough that there are a couple ports of perl to MS platforms. IMHO, Perl belongs in Unix (and offshots like OSX) and Microshaft OS's should die horrible deaths. The (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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On Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:34:52 GMT, James Brown uttered the following profundities... (...) We've had these in Europe for about 15 years now. Police love them, frees them up to catch proper criminals. Motorists hate them, obviously! The ones in the UK (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Was this theory ever put to the test? Or was the verdict decided by a committee of experts? Over here, businesses finance employees' education frequently. Is it different in England? Those businesses must have a strange motive. Coal mining (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice theory and something that got debated a lot over here the last decade or so. The verdict seems to be that if the Government does nothing then businesses often don't either, even when it looks like it should be in their interests to do so. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's unfortunate that the labels have become so skewed. I am a liberal because I believe in liberty. I am not a conservative because I think the present system needs to be changed. Yet if I claim to be liberal it means I support income (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I will look at it soon, right now its off to a wedding! (NOT MINE, yet!) Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a simplified definition, I think you are talking about direct democracy, I was talking more of a constitutional democracy, where the people have certain rights (a.k.a. Bill of Rights) and protection from being murdered and so forth. A (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Why, should I? My initials are already LP... (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have to have adversity for the hero to overcome, but in the end you have a happy ending, or your picture won't do as well. (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Have you ever considered just going by "Larry the Libertarian"? :) (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It HAS the resources, if you're referring to the one I think you are. But it spends them on grand cathedrals and imposing monasteries rather than on helping the poor. (...) Right, far easier to be self righteously charitable with other (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It certainly sells better on the silver screen than optimism. :-P Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Extropians Rock! (...) is really just Max More's (he's the founder of the movement) summation of extropianism, but it's a great start. I was on the extropians mailing list shortly after it started in '91 or '92 (I don't recall) and stayed with it (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those aren't going to be the people who are most attracted to Libertopia. (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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An unlimited democracy with no bounds as to what the majority can decide is indeed flawed. Further, it's unworkable beyond a certain size, and leads to factionalism. A constitutionally limited representative or republican democracy is much better. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, but maybe there are other fields than IT. I just picked that because lots of us are familiar with it. If you can speak clearly, you can work as a bellboy. You can wait tables. You can assemble widgets in a plant and make more than (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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