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Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
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Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:21:47 GMT
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On Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:52:51 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:

In all fairness Communism is INdefensible from first principles, if you
accept the rights based principle that people have the right to maximum
freedom, or the utilitarian principle that we should strive for the
system that produces the greatest goods for the greatest number
(depending on which starting point you wish for defense, rights or
utilitarian)

Communism is only rights based defensible from first principles if you
accept that you are your brother's keeper, for the maximal set of
brothers. And there is no utilitarian defense possible. Period. It just
doesn't work as an economic or political system. Mixed systems can limp
along, but the closer you get to pure communism the harder it craters.
However, mixed systems that move closer to pure capitalism get better
instead of worse. We are better off now in the world than we were 20
years ago and it's precisely because the pendulum has swung a bit.

There you go again, mixing theory with practice.

In _theory_, someone/some committee _with all the information_ making
decisions can do better (as measured by the utilitarian principle)
than the free market. Much in the same way that in theory, investors
should be able to do better than the stock market.

In practice, it's of course near-impossible.

Jasper



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  Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
 
(...) No. Nice try though. (...) So you're conceding the rights based argument, then? Good. (...) No. In THEORY it's impossible for any finite committee to outperform (that is, out allocate) the market, unless they have more information than the (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) In all fairness Communism is INdefensible from first principles, if you accept the rights based principle that people have the right to maximum freedom, or the utilitarian principle that we should strive for the system that produces the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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