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Subject:	Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:52:51 GMT
Reply-To:	lpieniazek@novera.[AntiSpam]com
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Carbon 60 wrote: > In all fairness Communism is defendable from first principles yet is > always said to be bad. In all fairness Communism is INdefensible from first principles, if you accept the rights based principle that people have the right to maximum freedom, or the utilitarian principle that we should strive for the system that produces the greatest goods for the greatest number (depending on which starting point you wish for defense, rights or utilitarian) Communism is only rights based defensible from first principles if you accept that you are your brother's keeper, for the maximal set of brothers. And there is no utilitarian defense possible. Period. It just doesn't work as an economic or political system. Mixed systems can limp along, but the closer you get to pure communism the harder it craters. However, mixed systems that move closer to pure capitalism get better instead of worse. We are better off now in the world than we were 20 years ago and it's precisely because the pendulum has swung a bit. Try to keep up, this ground was covered already. It's not just SAID to be bad. It IS bad. But you're young. I am reminded of a Churchill quote. -- Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com http://my.voyager.net/lar - - - Web Application Integration! http://www.novera.com fund Lugnet(tm): http://www.ebates.com/ Member ref: lar, 1/2 $$ to lugnet. NOTE: I have left CTP, effective 18 June 99, and my CTP email will not work after then. Please switch to my Novera ID.

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) There you go again, mixing theory with practice. In _theory_, someone/some committee _with all the information_ making decisions can do better (as measured by the utilitarian principle) than the free market. Much in the same way that in (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) In all fairness Communism is defendable from first principles yet is always said to be bad. I agree with the ideal of communism but not Marxism. In an ideal communism state there is no tax, no unemployment. I've missed out on most of this (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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