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Re: naiveté (was: Re: Extropianism)
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Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44:37 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> You say this life is meaningless and that you need religion to give your
> life meaning. You say that you don't know what's after this life. Fine.
> You are welcome to your small view of this existance and your problems.
Funny, I think people who don't ponder these questions have a small view of
this existence. I feel as if you are responding to the totality of
religion through the ages, not what *I'm* saying. Please try to shed your
prejudice against "Christianity" and "Religion" and not saddle what *I'm*
saying with all that baggage. You would be surprised to learn that I agree
with a lot of what you say.
> But I ain't buying what you're selling. Your view belittles this reality
> and the many great and wonderful things man has achieved. Your view
> belittles what I personally have achieved and the meaning I have given
> my life. I resent that and am offended at your judgmentalness. But as I
> said above, I have no right not to be offended by the non rights
> violating words or deeds of others.
I'm not selling, just having a friendly debate:-) You're right to some
extent, that I am poking fun at man's achievement. In 100 or 200 years,
man will be looking back at our achievements today and smile, just as we
smile when we think of that wonderful quotation about 100 years ago stating
that everything that will ever be invented had.
> You say that science can tell us nothing you need to know and there is
> no wisdom without god. Fine. Huddle in the dark for all I care with your
> caveman friends. Me, I'l be watching springer and glorying in the
> technical genius of man that brings me visions from afar via thousands
> of separate inventions, sipping a frosty bev and reveling at the
> wonders of science that can change the climate and temperature of
> objects, and lounging on my naugahyde chair, made possible through the
> wonders of technology, and then I'll surf the greatest
> technical/scientific achievement yet, the internet.
What you need is a good old-fashioned NDE;-) [1]
> As long as you keep your opium, er, religion, out of my life and out of
> my government you're welcome to belittle yourself as much as you like.
Thank you, Karl.
> But I ain't buying. I am happy without religion, see no need for it, and
> will take my chances with the next life, if any. So buzz off. :-) I mean
> that in a nice way of course.
Of course.
That may be fine for you Lar, because you have been blessed with an
indomitable spirit. But there are many unhappy people out there, and many
of them are very rich. That's a dirty little secret most people never get
a chance to learn. Money, property, *stuff* can't buy happiness, although
I'd bet you that 99 out of a 100 people would say that they'd be happier if
they won a million dollar lottery. And I would think that it would behoove
you and your Larritopian (sorry;) views to have people happy and content,
because then they have no need or desire to infringe on you or your
property, and the system would work.
-John
[1] Near Death Experience
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| (...) The problem with that, as I see it, is that some of the most unhappy people I've met also happened to be devout Christians. I can see that trying to live your life for others (and by extension - as Christians would see it - for God) can give (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| You say this life is meaningless and that you need religion to give your life meaning. You say that you don't know what's after this life. Fine. You are welcome to your small view of this existance and your problems. But I ain't buying what you're (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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