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Subject: 
Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Sat, 17 Jul 1999 21:45:33 GMT
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lpieniazek@noveraSAYNOTOSPAM.com
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Mike Stanley wrote:

> Assuming we step into Libertopia, and you and Ed shack up, the
> government ought to treat you no differently than anyone else, right?
> He can inherit your property when you die, etc.
> 
> What about corporations?  Does ACME Insurance company have to let you
> guys on the family plan together or are they free, assuming they do
> not approve of homosexual marriages, to require you to hold separate
> single policies.  Or are they free to charge you a higher premium for
> whatever reason?

Free to discriminate however they choose, for any reason or no reason at
all. They're not the government. The government, having a de jure
monopoly on the initiation of the use of force, is not free to
discriminate in any way shape or form.

> > Again, unfettered democracy is tyranny. Restricting a preexisting
> > business, a property owner, or a person from carrying out business of
> > any sort not otherwise rights violating at whatever time of day or night
> > is convenient for them to do so violates the takings clause of the
> > constitution, which was put there for a reason by the founding fathers.
> 
> Hrmmm.  What about community standards for how a building should be
> built, which colors can be used, type and size of signs, etc?  I've
> seen some pretty unusual looking Wal-Marts, and I assume they look
> that way because of some sort of local "look and feel" code of some
> kind.  Right or wrong?

Wrong, if it was the government that passed the regulation. Right if it
was a community association that WalMart had to buy into, or go to a
different community association with different rules.

All sorts of restrictions that are justifiable when imposed by contract,
where parties freely agreed, and have a market to choose from, are
unjust when imposed by majority rule.

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  Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?]
 
Whew. Where to start? (...) It is legislating consensual behaviour. And that's wrong. No avoiding it. (...) True. So what? (...) First off, why does government have a monopoly on sanctioning marriages? Aren't they merely a contract between people? (...) (27 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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