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Hello Chris, in general, I agree with your posting, but this one example seems odd to me: (...) Bike helmets will not prevent kids from learning that certain practices are dangerous, just limit the effect such dangerous practices can have. I think (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, I used outlet covers when my son was little and I imagine that I'll use them with the next one (due in only ten weeks!). And we have very high quality car seats -- the best that were available when we did our research, and (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip good list of possible alternatives> (...) It may be. Is it *just* to force a democratic election? I'm not sure. Maybe not. But the will of the general people has been ignored in Afghanistan for a long time. Should we have left W. Germany (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the less control they feel they have over their own environment. (...) Violence may be the expression of a pent up desire to control one's environment. It seems those most likely to commit egregious acts of violence are those who have been (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you were talking about *all* airports. But I don't see any difference in this case. For example: The government contracts with private firms for cleaning in some cases and uses public employees in others. Maintenance, cleaning, security. (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the theory, but in practice it has turned out that regulations are HIGHLY relevant... they are a min-max. In other industries the defense that "we were in conformance with standards" has been an accepted defense. This has been discussed (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think Jack Chick intentionally makes fun of Christians but he certainly makes some Christians (or ANY other uncritical thinkers that operate the way he and his writers do, for that matter) look ridiculous. I doubt that was his desired (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought the author was making fun of Christians. I didn't go looking around, but from your cites, it sounds like it supports that. Or am I all wet? Chris (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heynowwaitaminnit! I resemble that remark. Actually, that describes me well enough. But your implication is that the logic therein is circular. Maybe I'm a little slow, but I don't see it. Could you spell it out slowly for me? thanks, Chris (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think that it is. The more controls in place on children, the less practice they have at operating without controls. (...) I agree with him (though probably go farther). When I get into these discussions, a few of which have been here, (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The regulations are largely irrelevant. Generally they set a minimum standard, not a maximum one. It is my understanding that UA and AA are open to litigation for their "failure" on the 11th - is that not the case? (...) I'm not clear on what (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm talking about where the government own the airport. (...) Larry, whenever you start to squirm we either get this "it is not an ideal world yet so we have to compromise for now" answer or we get the "LP dreamland is an ideal world which can (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Meet me after school in the parking lot, unless you're yella'. ;`) A bit more seriously, although still in jest, what if I were? (...) Agreed. I just couldn't resist. (...) Whole-heartedly agree. Utter rubbish - the entire site and those like (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes: <snip> If I didn't know better, I'd think you were trying to pick a fight. Circular reasoning is fallacious no matter who advances it, or what it is used to knock down or raise up... That's all I'm (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, for the majority of the article I felt like running a few perl regexps on it: s/islam/christianity/gi; s/muhammed/jesus/gi; s/koran/bible/gi; Though my favorite by far was number 1: The Bible is older, so it's right! Never mind the fact (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kinda like a guy who rejects "traditional" views of morality, invents his own (!) and then declares himself righteous?!! Honestly, how bizarre is that?! Ruminate on that one for a while and then criticize all you want. I don't believe in God (...) (23 years ago, 30-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I just read some other sections of the site. I was particularly amused by a couple of stuff: - Singapore government forbids religious critics => incentives equalness between religions => is wrong ('cause we are better!). - Can almost 1 bn Catholics (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AMEN! ;-) Pedro (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree. It starts with the wrong argument, and goes all the way down. I'd say the writer was probably abducted by aliens, who implanted him a probe... ;-) Pedro (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hmm, I'm not sure whether this article really disproves Islam or simply all religions. The author seems to be drawing on his own broad assumptions and bias about Islam, which I think falsely characterizes the religion itself and what it stands for (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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rlogin horstl, (...) rm -rf /bin/laden ^ :wq horstl (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) be used against christianity like #2 2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing. (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This was far too funny not to post. (URL) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thnx. (...) *We* did not run west... the *queen* did - that marked the beggining of tourism in Brazil. The rest of the population had to stay and withstand the fight, with some help from the Brits (ah, Wellington... fascinating character) we (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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Hey Y'all: I was just sitting here contemplating my navel when I began to think about violence and its causes. We have certainly been given a few jolts these past years and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. We have children shooting (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I live in the greatest country in the world. If I moved to a not so good one (say England). Scotland would still be my home. (...) I don't really see myself in those terms. Read the news and you will see that Israel are pretty good at (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, it's not OK there either. Not at private airports, not in an ideal system. We're in a mixed system so some compromises happen. Doesn't mean I like them or accept them or agree with them or think they are good. So no, it is NOT OK and I (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I deny none of the above except the unstated implication that this is the only possible outcome. Remember, these actions are by heavily regulated firms that, as it turns out, managed to (quite easily) wriggle off the hook for liability. To (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm an idealist too. Oh, that wasn't what you were asking... I agree with all of that except for the part about the nukes. I know it's accepted wisdom that Israel has some. If they do I think they ought to keep them. At least until we invent a (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that legally Israel does exist and that it is here to stay. I wish they would respect human rights a little more, stop murdering people, respect UN resolutions, hand back what is does not belong top them, get rid of their nuclear (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh yes I did. (in a pantomime tone) (...) Indeed, and I have said before it would be a great issue for the LP to work on: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So why is it OK for "the feds" to invade your privacy at the airport but nowhere else? Scott A (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Good morning Mr Mohamed Atta, you can certainly board the flight with your large licensed gun. We have reserved your seat right up front next to the cockpit. By the way, why is your passport made out of asbestos?" Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. I don't want airline security to be set by consumer focus groups. I think the public will always trust a government regulated system more. The private sector can't be trusted: (URL) by the air industry in the USA to oppose (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I really do worry about the support the airlines are getting. I know the last few weeks have been tough for them, but the fact is that that the 4 flights which were lost on the 11th were flying from good slots but yet they were no where near (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, this made me think of one other thing: Spanish colonial policy. It's been pretty well proven (by Patricia Seed, if memory serves) that the Spanish tried very hard to emulate the government of the Caliphates in their dealings with the (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ack, I can't believe I didn't set groups right. I didn't want this hiding in .pt alone. :D (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There it is: influence, not copy. I'd say inspiration... :-) (...) Yes, the storm *was* the main gun... but the fire-ships were also very effective, at least in the morale issue. The only real bugger in this whole story is that portuguese (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) That's a pity. I was hoping I could talk you into a day trip to Austin for the Texlug meeting. Speaking of Hobby, about 8 years ago one of my closest friends, B, was dropping off one of his friends at Hobby who was catching a plane to St. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not unless flechette guns have already been cleared for use at Hobby. :-) that was a hypothetical example, I just chose a city with two airports that I could remember the names of so that the reroute made sense. (...) A flechette gun (not sure (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Err...at the risk of being completely obtuse...I'm just curious: are you coming back to town this weekend? james, who doesn't know what either flechettes or tranqs are, but otherwise gets the point that firearm regulations under different (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. And a fully private system with airlines and airports each making individual decisions on this may well be significantly more complex to administer and track. At least at first. (hmm... I'm flying to Hobby today... that means pack my (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still resolving that part of the issue for myself, but it puts me in mind of the other side of the coin: Since the airlines are primarily private corporations, and the aircraft are their property, they are well within their rights (correct (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(I accidentally e-mailed my reply, and I see Larry has already replied, but I'll add my thoughts anyway...) (...) issue, (...) By ensuring that private enterprise can be held accountable by free market means. This includes giving consumers free and (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not I *M* O, though. See Friedman. "Heavy regulations" are not required, just full consequence facing. Current corporate law shields officers from culpability. We've had this discussion before. Nothing has changed my view. (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? (...) You didn't answer that question. (...) Still waiting on an answer to that. (...) What about it? (...) We should. (...) It wasn't and it should be undone. Which I have said before. ++Lar (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) Yes. (...) Yes. Or armed passengers if the airline so chooses. (...) No. But it should also not shield airlines from lawsuits for negligence and wrongful death if the airlines don't put sufficent standards and safeguards in place. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GK7ptp.Ftt@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) corner. (...) this. GWB even used the word "crusade" in one speech, which must have gone down well when translated for the Arab press. Using "war" was (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GK77vG.7wL@lugnet.com... (...) Hmmm....didn't a certain European country during the 1930s adopt a similar stratergy for Jews? You see where I'm going with the arguement to this.... (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry: I agree with you on principle here, but my question is how we can remove the incentive to cut corners from private enterprise when public safety is at issue, yet still maintain a true free-market enterprise? IMO, we just cannot really (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You did not pose a question(?). What is your point? (...) But what about international law? Why not apply the same rule to settlers in the USA? How fair was the way some them got their land? Scott A (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are wriggling. What about the cases where the airport is private, you think they should set their own levels of security? Do you oppose the plan to place government “air marshals” in planes? Do you think private security guards would be (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Presumably it was me, but whether it was or not (I forget and you gave no link so I can't check without searching) I agree with it. Nothing inconsistent there with my stance on airline security or airport security either. The airlines ought to (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is MY point? My point is that you have no point and you haven't answered the question. (...) So you agree Israel has a right to exist, then? I suspect (but can't confirm since Dan hasn't said) Dan does not feel that way at all. Myself I (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but it was an *English* storm... Dave! (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I believe the mizzen mast was lateen rigged on the Nina, as on many ships until the gaff-rigged sail comes along (ahhh, the Armada Flagship, now available from Lego S@H). I love putting lateen sails on my Lego ships - I keep meaning to cut my (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) My mistake. 1st point I don't feel I twist your words, but I think you do twist my own. The way you do this is to quote me out of context. 2nd point. I did not say wars could not be fought without death did I? (...) I don't follow. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is your point? Are you saying the none of the land Israel is on legally belongs to them. I agree that some of it does not, but I am pretty sure some of it does. Scott A (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think you have to *read* it to decide if you agree with the general idea or not, that the UN had the power to decide that Palestine was to be partitioned, and designated each partition as a homeland for someone. I'm not sure I agree (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's why I brought it up in the first place... There are people working to try to influence the legislature NOT to do that. But in a time of hysteria, when laws are made up in one day and then passed that same day or the next by (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but Union vs. Indians has a clear adverserial implication. It might not offend you or I, but how would a Native American kid feel about it? (...) But that is very simplified history. Our country should absolutely be appalled at the crimes (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Union vs. Indians = White vs. Black. Chess sets have always had two sides. Neither color was ever considered good or bad. Why does a Chess set with two opposing sides mean that anyone in particular is bad/wrong. The union and the indians DID (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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(...) ignore the comment below. I mis-read the comment above. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I fear I have allowed myself to be misunderstood. I was a little bemused by that news story – it shows a degree of clumsiness on both sides. However, as Mr Straw was visiting the Middle East to speak Iran, I am sure it was not detrimental to (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was a little bemused at the response to that. QT audiences are usually selected to represent UK political opinion. If the BBC did do that, they can hardly complain at the outcome! I agreed with a good deal of what was said – I just did not (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lack of the "usual standard" does not equal "no standard". Lifting the "current restriction" does not equal "no restriction". But even if you paranoia was well founded (I don't mean the stuff about the black helicopters). Surely you (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the former quote above he calls for restraint. In the latter quote above he can't wait for action. Read his latter comments in context: ==+== The aggressor has made the mistake of attacking the homeland. They will pay. If I were Saddam (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) how (...) internal (...) I never said I know what to fix, or that the debate was needless. You said now is not the time for examining policies, I think it is, whether or not other action is taken concurrently. (...) Sure. I just disagree with (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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Hello Larry, (...) To me, it seems they are also islamistic, so whatever government they could come up with will probably not be fair to our standards. The question of course is: Does it have to? Or is it enough they don't support international (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What we can do... (my 2 cents)
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(...) All true... but I still believe that the concept behind the lateen sail (triangle + rotation around mast) allowed travelling against the wind, unlike square sails - better for back-winds (no pun intended). And I'm not sure if ALL the sails in (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree. I would suggest that the Arab influence on western culture is best noted in Iberian cultures (Spain and Portugal), since the Arab presence on the Peninsula lasted some 781 years. In fact, it ended shortly before Columbus reached America (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup. (...) Well, how about Arab History Month? The Arabs have made abundant contributions to civilization throughout history in areas such as mathematics, astronomy, medicine, engineering, architecture, art, philosophy, music, literature, and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I want to thank you all for your support. I was truely surprised to find out how well "spotlighted" my article was! Well, as an update, the President hasn't responded, but he still hasn't bombed anyone either, so maybe it helped. -Alfred (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GKBx4v.AL2@lugnet.com... (...) Is it possible to find an 'independent' source of news? I guess independent could imply unbiased, as opposed to indepenent of anything else. But doesn't unbiased (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah ha! I have smoked out a daily Telegraph reader (most things are left wing to them)! ;-) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Special Identification for Arab Americans?
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(...) Ignorance is bliss. I said "can" not "is". (...) Even take their guns away? Scott A (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Heh, a coworker wrote this on a whiteboard in the lab: # rm -f /bin/laden :) I just thought it's funny, but FUT set to debate, incase one flares up :) Dan (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Origins Debate
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(...) Dave!: Here we come to the great defeater of your argument: The existence of Baseball is final and convincing proof that a Loving and Good God does in fact exist. I defy you to postulate any theoretical universe in which Baseball, in all its (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Origins Debate
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|In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ian Warfield writes: | |>Let me restate my position this way: | |>The theory of evolution states that these organisms developed of their own |>accord, by means of spontaneous, large-scale genetic mutations in a (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GKB7Hq.1wt@lugnet.com... (...) LOL Surely BBC=Left Wing Rag? regards lawrence (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) In the biz, I believe that's called a wide Prophet Margin. (...) You had me up until this part--sounds too much like Amway or Scientology (the latter of which is certainly and irrefutably a religion, and not in any way a cult dreamed up by a (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Wow. A miracle! The Church of Larritarianism IS accepting applications for prophets, if you're interested. Entrance exam is way less strict than, say, the Church of the SubGenius. And for all you other sinners out there, we also (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A one week deadline for a particular event is not inconsistent with an entire series of events taking months or years to transpire. (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) all, since you have nothing to contribute. Doubt I'll get my wish though. Do you have any fact based debunking or is your entire critique a slur of the source with nothing else behind it? (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jordan as the Palestinian homeland? Yes or no, please (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have a deeper look. Under the proposed legislation, the usual standard of proof is not needed, all that is needed is to assert National Security... that's "unauthorised". Further, the current restriction to particular people or phones would be (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Amazing. Ignorance is Truth, eh? If those of us on the side of freedom think that the nutters who want to do some of these things are a small minority we are less likely to do anything to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip some musings about the nature of principle in an unprincipled party> Here is the LP's spin on "Dr. NO", from their excellent list of net liberty resources here: (URL) J. ought to like paragraph (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds entirely consistent to me. The first message expressed a desire to have the existing powers-that-be in Afghanistan turn over bin Laden on their own, rather than simply rolling out NATO within the week (and without due consideration) to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is, by definition, circular reasoning. I predict that I will attach my name at the bottom of my post--that doesn't make it prophesy. My point is that the Bible is *in no way* adequate confirmation of its own supernatural claims, and there (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what did you mean when you said this less than 4 days after the attack? ==+== Secretary Powell declined to specify what would be done but said a week deadline for all of bin Laden's organization to be turned over to the west was not (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds like you are falling for GWB's empty rhetoric. Lets assume ObL did do this. Look at his motives (not his unjustifiable actions) and you will see that he actually wants a little more freedom and liberty in places like "Palestine" and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Barbary Pirates indeed. Lets start by looking at the bigger picture: (URL) the 1st para: ==+== The attempt to make out that the suicide terrorists had somehow declared war and that America and its allies were entitled to wage war in return is (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GK3Mz9.90A@lugnet.com... (...) sanctions (...) that (...) (URL) Telegraph = Right Wing Rag. I prefer independent news: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well it certainly is not Palestine: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Mr L F Braun" <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message news:GK7G2o.7z@lugnet.com... (...) . and I thought I was cynical. I think the "war" is all about GWB overreacting. The problem is that he has now painted himself into a corner. Calling this a (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hardly. Perhaps you should read you own posts. A quick search finds these 2 where you condone civilian deaths: (URL) note that in your reply, you failed to address these points: 1. Your apparent departure from your usual LP dogma. 2. Your (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) listen. (...) Facing such a terrible situation, I agree with you Alfred, That is the only way to go. The attack was done without any weapon and the result was incredibly destrucuctive. With the power of love, the greatest of all power, it is (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I agree in general, I don't think thats what I was asking. My main worry is that the Arab/Islamic nations outside of Afganistan will see this as meddling in another Islamic nations business and trying to push our ways on them. I could (...) (23 years ago, 26-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it was "squirming" (URL) I explained what I actually meant in the footnote, which seems to be close to what you say below 8?) (...) I too stated (same post) that I agree with all three variants you've presented, just not the original (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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