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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > I am actually interested to hear why you have changed
> > > > you mind on airport/line security.
> > >
> > > I don't believe I *have* changed my mind about it.
> >
> > Really. Who psoted this then:
> >
> > ==+==
> > I want to get the federal government
> > _completely_ out of every area where it's made
> > such a mess -- health care, education, law
> > enforcement, welfare, foreign aid, corporate
> > welfare, highway boondoggles, farm subsidies. Not
> > only are these programs unconstitutional, they do
> > tremendous damage to our lives.
> > ==+==
>
> Presumably it was me, but whether it was or not (I forget and you gave no
> link so I can't check without searching) I agree with it.
>
> Nothing inconsistent there with my stance on airline security or airport
> security either. The airlines ought to be responsible for security on board
> airliners and ought to be held accountable (strictly) if and when they blow
> it. The airport owners (which in most cases are government but SHOULD be
> private) should be responsible for security in airports and ought to be held
> strictly accountable if and when they blow it.
Larry:
I agree with you on principle here, but my question is how we can remove the
incentive to cut corners from private enterprise when public safety is at issue,
yet still maintain a true free-market enterprise? IMO, we just cannot really
trust public safety to private enterprise without heavy regulations.
james
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| (...) Not I *M* O, though. See Friedman. "Heavy regulations" are not required, just full consequence facing. Current corporate law shields officers from culpability. We've had this discussion before. Nothing has changed my view. (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (I accidentally e-mailed my reply, and I see Larry has already replied, but I'll add my thoughts anyway...) (...) issue, (...) By ensuring that private enterprise can be held accountable by free market means. This includes giving consumers free and (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I agree. I don't want airline security to be set by consumer focus groups. I think the public will always trust a government regulated system more. The private sector can't be trusted: (URL) by the air industry in the USA to oppose (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Presumably it was me, but whether it was or not (I forget and you gave no link so I can't check without searching) I agree with it. Nothing inconsistent there with my stance on airline security or airport security either. The airlines ought to (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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