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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > I was talking more about how the air industry has weakened security
> > proposals in the past - not their failure to implement existing
> > regulations.
>
> Because it was expensive. Everything has a price and sometimes we're not
> willing to pay it.
But a good deal of others are. Over the last few weeks there has been a lot
of talk about how weak air security within the US compared the the rest of
the "west".
>
> > My worry is that if the market is allowed to dictate airline safety then the
> > safety may become heavy with superficial safety issues and the ones the
> > public does not understand fully (say widget maintenance) slip. Safety
> > should be based on risk assessment not focus groups or public hysteria .
>
> I agree with the final comment. Why would a government agency provide more
> sure widget maintenance than would a private corporation.
Like I said, I just worry about corners being cut.
Scott A
>
> > I thought the big right wing gripe on this group was that private was
> > better than public? Now you are saying they are just the same?
>
> I'm not part of the right wing, so ask someone else. To the extent that I
> believe private is better, it is based on the health of competition, the value
> of freedom (in all forms), and the extent to which it is difficult to slip into
> stagnant bureaucracy mode when you're answerable to some people.
>
> > I just worry about corporations cutting corners for the sake of profit. That
> > is what happened here:
> > From:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1538000/1538682.stm
> > ==+==
> > Within the last decade, a major commission headed by then US Vice-President
> > Al Gore recommended increasing security to international levels - but the
> > industry opposed the idea so strongly that the plan was never adopted, say
> > industry insiders.
> > ==+==
>
> It was too expensive.
>
> Chris
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| (...) Me too. This is a very valid concern, and it's true for more than just this particular instance. So you should support mechanisms that are likely to reduce the probability of corners being cut and oppose mechanisms that are likely to increase (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Because it was expensive. Everything has a price and sometimes we're not willing to pay it. (...) I agree with the final comment. Why would a government agency provide more sure widget maintenance than would a private corporation. (...) I'm (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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